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So there were voluntary efforts among three parties that went on for years that did not conclude, and that looked to be well off the rails when Chugach just chose to acquire MLNP. And one of the things that the RCA did is they conditioned their approval of that transaction on Chugach and MEA concluding their negotiations and bringing a pool agreement. So like, there was, um, there was a government policy coercive force, like, this is something that we want to see and have to have, and we're going to withhold our agreement unless you— of the transaction unless you move forward. Um, my own view is to get to— and reasonable people can disagree— but to get to unified economic dispatch within the rail belt as a whole is going to require similar policy force, whether it's legislation or something else, but most likely legislation. So then the question is like, because we've been talking about this, as Julie's noted, we've been talking about this at least since the 1960s and certainly since the aughts when people agreed that they were going to pull away from Chugach being the central dispatcher for a lot of the system, not all of it, but a lot of it.

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