10.13.2026 Whittier City Council Special Meeting @ 7:30PM

Good evening, everybody. I'm going to call today's second special meeting of the Whittier City Council at 7:32 to order.

Okay, will you please all rise for the Pledge of Allegiance?

Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Okay, thank you. Madam Clerk, will you please call the roll? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mrs. Borg. Here.

Mr. Wagner. Here. Mr. MTO. Here. Mr. Pincush.

Sir, thank you. Mr. Denmark. Here. Mrs. Lone. Here.

Mr. Mayor. Here. The motion, uh, you have a quorum.

Thank you, Madam Clerk.

Before we begin tonight's meeting, please note that there are digital copies of the agenda available online. There's a QR code on the door there. You you can scan it with your device and then you can access this meeting agenda on your phone.

Okay, next thing we have is citizen comments. Citizen comments on any agenda item except those scheduled for public hearing are welcome at this time. Those who have signed in will be given the first opportunity to speak. Please note, this is not a time for dialogue. It's a time for Citizens to speak and the council to listen.

And Madam Clerk, is there any sign-in for citizen comments? Yes, Mr. Mayor. First on the list is Nicholas Cooley. Okay, thank you. Um, the time is going to be limited to 2 minutes.

We have a large crowd, and so, um, by code, citizen comments is limited to 2 minutes. I'll have a timer. I'll give you a 30-second warning. Not warning, but heads up as time is being used up. And then there will be an obnoxious alarm that I'll keep to a minimum when on my phone here.

Mute me. Go ahead. As a member of the Council of the City of Whittier, we, the members of the Whittier Fire and EMS Department, are writing to express our strong support for City Manager Jackie Wild and the leadership she has provided to the City of Whittier. A city manager carries a significant responsibility overseeing municipal operations, working with federal, state, and local elected officials and staff, managing public resources, and ensuring that the city's services effectively serve residents. City Manager Wilde has approached these responsibilities with professionalism, dedication, and genuine commitment to this community, and a vision to ensure the city of Whittier continues to be more than just this name of a small community.

City Manager has demonstrated the ability to work through complex issues thoughtfully and constructively. Her leadership reflects an understanding that effective local government requires adherence to law, city code, accountability, collaboration, and sound decision-making, and respect for the people who live and work in the community, as well as its visitors. She has worked diligently to attain millions of dollars in grants and project fundings for various projects to improve the city of Whittier from multiple sources. She's always looking towards the future and what the city of Whittier can be. We particularly appreciate her willingness to listen, communicate openly, and address difficult issues rather than avoid them.

Municipal leadership is really simple, and we believe City Manager Wilde has consistently worked to balance competing priorities while keeping the interests of the community and the effective operation of the city in mind. Just as importantly, she has demonstrated a commitment to maintaining professional standards within the city government. And to working cooperatively with employees, federal, state, and local elected officials, community members, and other stakeholders. These qualities are essential to building public confidence and ensuring that city government functions effectively. For these reasons, we adamantly offer our strong support for City Manager Wild.

We believe that she brings valuable leadership experience, professionalism, and dedication to the position, and we appreciate the service that she provides to the city of Whittier and its residents. Sincerely, the members of the Whittier Fire and EMS Department.

Thank you. Our next speaker, please. June Miller.

Press that go button. Thanks. I'm here to present a complaint that people that buy lots here aren't able to expressly develop them for what they need. And if someone goes to the office and says, I've got this plan, and they said, go for it. And then when you apply, then they say, oh, I'm sorry.

You don't qualify, you know, you can't move a tree or a rock and you have to put the trees in the rock back. Um, you know, I've got lot 12, block 12 on Shotgun Cove Road, and I tried to do a small youth camp for the youth to learn, you know, survival and recreational gifts without a TV. Cell phone or anything like that. And I was trying to, um, bring something to Whittier that we had before. We had some events planned with the previous fire chief that just got booted because he was too kind and he was too good and he was too helpful.

Um, so I believe that— I think that we have to look at more of a comfortable, genuine city instead of making, um, you know, amends for big companies, big corporations. And then as all of us that have been here for 40, 50 years aren't getting any— anything, um, that we can accomplish. And so I don't feel that we are recognized as a small business owner or a small entity to develop something for our community that we didn't have before. Um, so I'm kind of disturbed that I spent a couple hundred thousand dollars on a lot, and I've tried to work with the city to get documents that were lost. Thanks.

Thank you. There's also citizens' comments afterward. You can speak if you need more time. Next speaker, Matthew Pessy.

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. For those who don't know me, I'm Matthew, working for the city, proudly serving this community, care deeply about— I grew up with people booing those with disabilities, and I spent years protecting them from the bullies. So I recognize mistreatment when I see it. I'm not here to call anyone names. I'm here because I support Jackie.

I cannot ignore the negativity and harassment she's been dealing with for a while. I worked with Jackie, I've known her for 4 years. She's a demanding leader.

She doesn't tolerate excuses. She's a fair leader and she does what is right, even when it's hard.

I remember when my mother was alive. My mother loved Jackie. She saw potential in her. My mom knew her time was limited, and she believed Jackie was the right choice for this, for city manager. We talked about the future of this community, and my mother trusted Jackie with it.

I'm standing here tonight carrying that vision. To the folks who work the tunnel, respectfully, We want this town to thrive, so I'm asking you to stand with us, not against the person who's fighting for this community.

This city can never prosper without truth. Darkness can never overcome light. No more fancy words, no more delays, no more excuses. Woodbury is for those who love and care about the city. Thank you for your time.

Respect.

Thank you, Mr. Pressing.

Next on the list is Mr. Uh, Nick Olnak. Mr. Olnak.

Shin and members of Woodview City Council, my name is Nick Olnak. I'm both Woodview resident and business owner. I'm here to support City Manager Jackie Weil. On September On May 2nd, Councilmember Wagner said, and I quote, our city manager has lost the support of the community, and I believe that she has lost the confidence of council, specifically me. 2 Other council members said that night they did not share that view.

A statement like that should rest on facts. Yet since then, Councilmember Wagner has requested and then canceled and moved several special meetings on this matter, including tonight's, without once putting a specific reason on record. Here's the facts on the Arlinda Muswad administration. The city has passed HB 216 so we can buy back about 85 acres from Alaska Railroad, won $4.1 million to design a new DeLong Dock, put $9 million into recapitalizing the small boat harbor, nearly finished the wellhead project and move Shotgun and Code Road further towards completion, began cleanup of the Buckner Building, led the response on September 14th dock fire with no one hurt, hosted the USS Ted Stevens commissioning October 3rd. Less than a year ago, Resolution 2025-048, the council approved the Bobster Most Wild based on our performance review.

If something has changed since then, the public deserves specifics, and she deserves a documented chance to correct them. On again, off again scheduling is like a performance review. It keeps the cloud and tells our grant agencies and partners that we're unstable. Firing the city manager without cause in the middle of land purchase and block replacement and several grant-funded projects could stall or delay work that took years to build. This also comes at a critical point in the land purchase, which will decide whether we use waterfront as guided by the city long term and good for the community by others.

I hope and trust that nothing was driving this decision with these decisions besides the best interest of Rutherford? The surest way I know that is transparency. I ask any council member who wants Ms. Wild from state-specific reasons publicly on record. Any performance concerns go through a fair documented review with a chance to correct them as they would for any other city employee. If there's a real case, make it tonight in public with facts.

If there isn't, take this item off the agenda for good. Please keep Jackie Wild as city manager and keep moving forward. Thank you for your service. 2 Minutes. Thank you.

Next is David Borg. Mr.

Borg.

David Borg, resident of Whittier. I'm included by the city. I want to make it completely clear that I'm speaking tonight strictly in my capacity as a private citizen. I'm here to directly address the blanket statement made by Councilmember Wagner claiming the city employees and the public have lost faith in City Manager Wild. Councilmember Wagner does not speak for me.

Timeline of the past few weeks shows tonight's executive session is a manufactured grievance. On September 22nd, Councilmember Wagner demanded a meeting to discuss Ms. Wild's performance. While she exercised her right to hold that discussion out in the open, he backtracked, claimed he was being thrown under the bus, and altered his language to force a closed session instead. Following that meeting, he issued 3 separate demands for emergency sessions targeting her contract, deliberately utilizing executive sessions where she cannot legally mandate public transparency. Using closed-door session to repeatedly schedule, alter, and cancel at least 4 meetings over the past month is a clear abuse of the process.

In my opinion, this pattern of behavior borders on workplace harassment and creates a hostile environment, a hostile environment for our leadership. City Manager Wild's performance speaks for itself. The city of Whittier stands to lose immense stability and progress if this council continues to indulge this farce. I urge you to reject these personal agendas and return to the real business of our community. Thank you.

People are watching. Thank you, Mr. Borden.

Next is Aniva Tere-Tere.

Good evening, Mayor and members of the council. My name is Aniva Toritori, and I'm standing before you tonight as a resident of Whittier, speaking on behalf of myself and my family. I want to speak in support of our city manager, Jackie Wild, and to express my opposition to terminating her employment. I understand that there are strong feelings surrounding our city manager. I understand that people are upset, and I respect their right to express those concerns.

I also believe that when someone's livelihood, reputation, and career are on the line, we have a responsibility to look beyond emotions and consider the bigger picture. Leadership is not easy. It requires making difficult decisions, and sometimes those decisions will be unpopular. But an unpopular decision does not automatically make someone an ineffective leader. I ask this council consider Jackie's entire record of service.

Consider the projects, the improvements, challenges, and the responsibilities she has taken on for this community. I also want to remind everyone that Jackie is only human. Regardless of how anyone feels about her decisions, I hope we can recognize the emotional toll that the public criticism and uncertainty can take on a person and their family. We can demand accountability without abandoning compassion. We can disagree without tearing someone down.

And I want to make something very, very clear: not everyone in Whittier has lost confidence in Jackie. Not everyone wants her gone. My family and I continue to support her, and I know we are not alone. I ask each council member to consider the consequences of the decisions before you, not just for Jackie, but for the stability of our community, our employees, and the future of this community. If you look into the crowd tonight, there is a lot of people here in support of Jackie.

Tonight I'm asking this council not to terminate Jackie's employment. And Jackie, regardless of what happens tonight, I want you to know that your dedication has not gone unnoticed and that you still have people in this community who believe in you. Thank you.

Thank you. Next speaker. Next is Junior Terry Terry.

Mr. Terry Terry.

Good evening, Mayor and members of the City Council. My name is Junior, and I wanted to speak tonight because I heard the statement Jackie has lost support in this community. I respectfully disagree. I'm part of this community. Our family lives here, work here, and calls Woodmere home.

I understand that not everyone will agree with every decision that is made at the city hall, but people have the right to voice their concerns, and I respect that. But I don't think one person can speak on behalf of the entire of the entire community. There are still people here, here who recognize the work Jackie and administration have done for Whittier.

There are projects and improvements that this community has talked about and wanted for years, and we are finally seeing those things being worked on and brought to life. That progress matters. So when it's said that Jackie has lost the support of the community, I simply want to record to reflect that she has not lost the support of everyone in this community. As you can see, we are here too, and we support Jackie. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Terry Terry.

Next speaker. Next is Chase Orzanek.

Mr. Orzanek.

Mr. Council, Chase. My parents own company And I hope money too. I'm just saying I'm here to support Ms. Jackie as senior manager.

When my brothers and I opened Meat Stand, there was a community member who was not happy about our new business. We were trying to bring something fun to Whittier and the Triangle. When talking to Jackie about how to solve this problem, she came up with a new idea, a junior business license, something that showed that we dedicated our future business in Whittier. Something she didn't have to do but wanted to make sure that not just adults but us kids were taken care of too, so that the future entrepreneurs of Whittier would have a business here too. As someone who wants to have a future here in Whittier as a boat captain, it is important for us to have someone like Jackie in charge to support that dream and help Whittier succeed.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you, Mr. Ozanek.

Next speaker. Next is Brianna Ozanek.

Hello, council members and Mr. Mayor. My name is Bri Ozanek and I'm a small business owner here in Whittier. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to speak tonight. I don't normally get involved in politics, politics. Honestly, I don't like the way politics can divide people, but in the words of one of my favorite, very favorite '90s country artists, Aaron Tippin, you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything.

Tonight I'm standing here in support of Jackie Wild as our city manager. I could talk about all the things Jackie has accomplished publicly, like the DeLong Dock, the Shotgun Cove Road project, and so on, but instead I'd like to talk about some of the things she does that people don't always see. When the Hoonah Dock was on fire, Jackie was calling the inn, coordinating with them, and making sure there was enough food ordered and delivered to the firefighters and volunteers. That isn't in her job description. It wasn't something she was required to do, but that's who Jackie is.

She's always thinking about how she can help, not just in her everyday job, but when this community needs someone to step up in the bigger moments too. And that same commitment is something I've seen— she talks about Whittier everywhere she goes, from Anchorage to Washington, D.C. She speaks from the heart about how much she believes in the city and in the people who call it home. She genuinely cares about this community and wants to see it succeed. Another reason I stand in support is that she is fair. Uh, when the information about the competitive bid process was first starting to come out, I had some questions, so naturally I asked her.

Her response to me was, Bree, I urge you to watch the city council meeting. That will answer all of your questions. She could have easily given me her personal explanation or her perspective because I'm her friend, but instead she directed me to the same information that was available to everyone else. Not because she wasn't willing to help and not because she didn't want to have a conversation, because she wanted everything to be fair and equal. At the end of the day, Jackie is fair.

She works hard. She cares deeply about this city, and she works to get things done for this community. So I hope that everyone here, especially the council, can put emotion aside when making decisions and think about what will serve the city of Whittier and its future the best. From what I have seen, that is exactly what Jackie Wilde has been trying to do. Thank you.

Thank you, Miss Osnack.

Next speaker. Next is Dory, Dory Yelverton. Miss Yelverton.

Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Council. As a former Ports and Harbor Commissioner, a small business owner, and a person who cares deeply about the community of Whittier, I wanted to take my 2 minutes to show my support for City Manager Jackie Wild. Jackie's care and leadership for Whittier are apparent in everything that she does. I have watched her navigate many difficult situations with strength and grace.

I have always admired that Jackie doesn't do the easy thing. She doesn't do the thing that makes people like her. She does the right thing, even when it's hard. I hear you, Mark. Because that is the responsibility of good stewards to put their egos aside for the good of their community.

And I have watched Jackie do that time and time again. Jackie has our full confidence, respect, and appreciation for the incredible work that she has done for this community. Whittier is a better place because of her. If you need to see more, just look at the packet Mr. Olszenek submitted. I would encourage you all to follow Ms. Wild's example, to lead with respect, fairness, and integrity.

Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Yelverton.

That's all that have signed in. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Is there, is there anybody in the audience who wishes to speak at this time?

Mr. Fleming.

Uh, good evening. I understand this is a platform for addressing the public. The council and the administration and all its employees. I've heard some of your concerns in the past week, and I urge you to keep an open ear and listen to the problems happening around the town.

I understand your positions. I feel for the city manager. I feel for you. However, I would like to remind The rest of the residents here, here also work tirelessly day and night, and we also have perspectives on the situations that have confronted us, the things that have happened around the town to not only ourselves but our fellow community members and our families.

To deal with communication issues, confusing paperwork, extended delays processing paperwork, and adversarial dealings with the city manager. You need to realize that you, Chris, city manager, she works for all of us, the people, through the direction of the council. I advise as a city employee first and foremost It is not to take statements when it comes to city resident issues.

No details and all the issues for each person's situation, uh, how things are handled, taken through the administrative process given to us by God through the Constitution prior to taking a stern stance on an issue. I ask that you follow your sentiment, uh, step your reason.

She's challenging the city. Keep an eye—. Keep a keen should always retain specifics to the manner in which your elected leaders handle the issues.

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Fleming.

Is there anyone else in the audience who would like to speak at this time?

Yes.

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. I am a resident of Whittier going on a little over 5 years. I am speaking solely— I do not know Jackie personally. I am not an employee of the city or anything of that sort, but I am speaking as a parent and as a mother tonight.

Tonight, for years, I have wanted something for my children to play with other than a school playground, and it's finally coming together under this leadership, Jackie and her team, putting that field behind the school. You have no idea how excited my boys are when they heard that a soccer field was going to be made at the school. Whittier School has very few opportunities, very limited, so kids have to make up with what they have. And we're at Mr. Victor's brings to the table. So Jackie, thank you for working so hard and bringing that project together, and thank you, Miss Burke, for bringing that project because you have made my kids so very happy about it.

Other thing is, when I first came to Whittier, it was very ugly. The boats, the garbage, the dump, very ugly. So I keep hearing people say, we've been here 30 years, 40 years, 50 years, 100 years. But what has been done in all those years? Nothing.

This is the first time that I've actually seen changes. Real changes, real-time changes, and it's thanks to this team, this city manager and her team. So thank you, Jackie Wilde, and we stand in support with you. I am speaking solely for me, my house, and my children. Good evening.

Thank you. Other speakers? Miss Pantaleon.

Hello everyone, good evening. I hardly do this, but this time I think I'm stepping up just to— I want everybody to hear about Jackie. I'm Amy Pantaleon and I've been working for the city for 8 years and I work for the accounts payables And let me just read what I wrote for Jackie. Dear council members and community, as a member of our community, I could not ask for a qualified city manager— sorry, I'm getting emotional— that Jackie wants. She has to advocate for Whittier, bring the community significant resources for projects.

Sorry. That have created more opportunities for our city and the community. These are projects including Shotgun Cove, water wells, and the Alaska Railroad settlement integrated into our city, which has the potential to benefit all of the Whittier for years ahead. She has worked with project directors demonstrating teamwork, coordination, and leadership in move this project forward. As an employee in the City of Whittier, I have never, I have never seen our city manager as a firm follower of rules and regulations while prioritizing the interests of our city.

At the same time, she maintains a friendly, approachable demeanor for employees and community members alike. These qualities are important in city managers. The position requires someone willing to follow rules and policies makes tough decisions, and gives a voice to the community while still being considerate. I have personally seen all of these fantastic qualities in Jackie Wilde. I believe that is important for our community to know.

The impact of our city manager has had not only on our city but also the people who call Whittier home. Jackie's work, her dedication, determination, leadership have left a lasting impression on the community, and I believe that impact will continue to our generation. I'm sorry, Mr. Pantheon, that's 2 minutes. Thank you for making me—. Thank you.

Next speaker, Mr. Gilman.

Um, Gilman, listen to everybody. Talk about everything that Jackie's done. Remember, a lot of these projects were started with other city managers that put them on the table, so to speak. They hit the fuse a long time ago. It's a good thing Jackie gets to finish it, and she'll get the credit for it.

But these projects were started a long time ago. I still come to the city offices here, and I don't feel like it's a friendly place to be. I'm greeted on the first floor, walked out of the second floor, and the buildings are back, not too bad. I'm greeted by a metal door that rolls up and down. I feel like in the local jazz or something.

I wish we could get back to the friendly atmosphere that we had. We've seemed to have lost, lost that way. And I just like to say that Chuckie's done a lot of good things, but just remember And I was city manager in her place and can do just as many. So it's not just the one person, it's the many that made the journey.

Thank you, Mr. Keman. Mr. Bender, do you have your hand up?

Put my hand up, but it didn't fold up there, so let's come on up.

Hi, good evening. Uh, so much of what I was going to say has already been said. I just have a couple points. It's good to see everybody out tonight. I firmly believe if this was the turnout on a monthly basis and some questions that have been asked in previous council meetings, that it doesn't get to this point.

I think that's, that's really important. It's up to us, I guess. I don't really know the, the relationship between a city council and city manager, but I would, I would liken it to a road, and the city council points down the direction of the road, and there's guardrails on each side, and the city manager has the option to veer maybe and bounce off a guardrail, but we're all going in the same direction. I think it's important for us to maybe come to agreement on that. Um, it's important to review what she's done.

She's done a lot of good things. I imagine you're probably surprised to see me kind of mentioning that since our recent episode, but I think it's important for the community to realize that she has done a lot here.

I hope that you will carefully deliberate in executive session. Please try to put personal vendettas aside. That makes for some ugly, ugly, ugly government. If you decide not to continue with Jackie, I think it's important that it seems like a lot of the projects that are currently underway probably will stall out, be delayed. So that's, uh, regret.

If you need to bring in a new city manager, um, they need to get up to speed. So, uh, and if there's an opportunity to, uh, counsel Jackie and she is amenable to it, that, um, I think that's a, a good, a good route to go. So thank you for the opportunity and, uh, good luck.

Thank you, Mr. Bender. Hand in back, Miss Ursinger.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of council. I'm speaking as a, as a citizen tonight, as opposed to a city employee, and I'm sorry that Jackie's not here in the room to see the love and support of folks here and just to feel the support people have for her and the work she's done. I'd like to just point out a few things to the gentleman who mentioned that a lot of these projects were started by somebody else. I've been at the city for 7 years. I can tell you exactly which projects Jackie started and has carried forward.

The land transfer deal with the Alaska Railroad, 100% Jackie. Jackie's effort, not even anybody on this staff. We can't take credit for it. It's 100% her work after being guided by the council in those negotiations. That land transfer of land from the railroad to the city would absolutely not be on the table without her efforts.

The community park, 100% Jackie, despite a lot of people digging their heels in, not wanting to do the project. For whatever reason, she recognized the community's need for, for that project, and council— many council members have supported it over the years. The Harbor Phase 3 project, yes, that was under— that was, um, that was started before her time, but she has been a material force behind getting that project completed. Same with the Shotgun Cove Road extension. That project's been ongoing for 15 years, so nobody can really claim a lot of credit except for maybe Scott because he's been here the whole time.

Um, the kayak racks, the bike racks, the beautification of all the painted, um, buildings around town to help beautify town, the cleaning up of all the junk— those are initiatives that she feels near and dear to her heart and she's really taken those on. And I think that's what a lot of the community notices is the community is much more beautiful. The water well project was not started prior to Jackie. Sorry, Miss Herschinger, that's 2 minutes there. Thank you.

If I can just say one more thing, she's brought $160,000 per man, woman, and child to Whittier in 4 years, and she has a great work ethic. And finally, a council member mentioned in a— in the last meeting that the city manager was potentially putting the city at liability. It was a very reckless statement. It's resulted in a lot of granting agencies, lobbyists calling us and saying, what has the city manager done? I'd like the council to weigh in on that issue.

I think it's very important for the council to hear she has not done anything to put the city at liability. That's an important message for our— for the partners that we have at federal and state agencies. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Singer.

Other people in the audience?

All right, Miss Anne.

Good evening everyone. I would like to express my sincere appreciation and support for Mrs. Jackie Wild, our city manager. In a small community like ours, it takes extraordinary people to make lasting difference, and Jackie is— has been one of those people. Her dedication to the city of Whittier, its employees, its residents has never gone unnoticed. Every day she leads not not only through her work ethic, but also through her compassion, integrity, and commitment to serving others.

Jackie has always been there for city staff, not just as a supervisor, a colleague, but as a friend and mentor and strong leader. She creates environments where people feel supported, valued, and encouraged to grow. Her kindness brings warmth to our workplace, and her belief in others inspires us to do our best work for our small community. But I'm waiting on— what people may not see are the countless challenges that come with leadership. We often do not know what happens behind closed doors, but those of us who work alongside Jackie knows that she consistently steps forward when difficult decisions need to be made and when challenges arise.

Regardless of the obstacles, she finds a way to move things forward. She remains, she remains focused on the solutions, commitment to the community, and dedication to the people she serves. Jackie has always stood up for her staff. She listens, advocates, encourages, and leads with both strength and compassion. Her leadership has helped create a workplace where employees feel respected and empowered to succeed.

The measure of a leader is not only seen in the accomplishments, but also in the lives they touch and the example she sets for others. Jackie Wad has made a positive impact on countless people through her service, dedication, and care for our community. Thank you.

Thank you, Ms. Wadso.

Next speaker.

Mr. Wallen. Good evening, Tor Wallen, General Manager for Hoonah Totem. You know, I'm going to change the subject for a moment, and on behalf of Hoonah Totem, I want to thank the community of Whittier for your response to the fire. I want to thank Chief Andre, Scott. I'm going to get in trouble, I'm going to miss someone here that I see here tonight in the room, Dave.

I also want to thank the city administration for their immediate support after the fire and reaching out to Hoonah Totem. Thank Tom and the folks on the council who, you know, you provided tremendous resources that night and in the days. I'm sure there are people in Whittier who have questions about what our steps are going forward. We are still in the active phase of the investigation. We are down today in Seward looking at the boat.

Tomorrow we'll have folks out at the dock continue to do their investigation, and then hopefully soon, as we wrap that up, we'll be able to present a plan forward. We do hope to be open at the end of April, beginning of May of next season, but again, that will depend on how quickly we can continue to keep things moving. But really tonight, we want to say thank you to the departments here in Whittier and to the administration for those 14 hours that they fought that fire. So thank you very much to Whittier.

Thank you, Mr. Rowland.

Is there anyone else in the audience who would like to speak at this time? Let me add one last group. I think it's also really important to note that the businesses here in Whittier that stepped up that evening, the restaurants but also Lazy Otter, who deployed their boat with the fire pumps, you know, that was a critical piece in Lazy Otter since the fire has been critical to this investigation. I really wanna give a shout out to those guys. So thank you.

Okay. Ma'am.

Hi, Jackie. I would like to just say a few things. I don't know how this is going to go tonight, but whatever way, I hope the best becomes of it.

Um, the thing is, you, the city manager, it is your job It is good that you're a working sitting teacher, and I appreciate it. When I first came here 5 years ago, the first thing I did for 2 years was I sat and then watched. I watched everything. I have documentation, I have all kinds of stuff. But that's just the way I do things.

There is—.

To address it in different ways within the different manners, at least.

But can you please tell me, as city manager, how a person can buy some property and come into your office, you're not able to tell them where they can put their building? You know I'm not the city manager, right? You know, I'm not the city manager, right? You what?

I can't hear you, so please continue. Thank you. That's the only thing I need to say. My 2 minutes are probably up anyway. Uh, just remember, it's your job what you do.

You get paid for it.

Thank you, Miss Lane.

Ma'am, go ahead, Miss Bard. I'm not the city manager. I know. Okay, I was just looking at you.

Okay.

All right, we are approaching a half hour here. Um, let's take a last one, last one here. There will be time toward the end of the meeting for another citizens discussion if you would wish to speak at this time. Okay, come on up.

Oh, can we read those?

Okay.

Thank you, uh, Mr. Mayor, to the city council. I'm not going to go over everything people have already spoken to. Uh, but I will say this, the council is now charged with some pretty important stuff, pretty heavy stuff. When you talk about discharging the city manager, uh, that's a major, major decision. I just want to say from my point of view, and I'm probably not as well versed in all of this as each of you are, but I think to discharge the city manager at this time would be just wrong.

This is not the right time and it's not the right place. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Goldstein. Okay, so according to code, we give each citizen 2 minutes, um, in this initial citizens comment, and then we— up to a maximum of 30 minutes before the meeting. And that's so we can continue with the meeting business. There is another opportunity before executive session for citizens to speak. And, um, we will call upon— I'll call upon people then.

And there are— there's also letters to be written into record at that time. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you for all your comments.

Mr. Agenda, thank you.

Okay, next on our agenda, we have public hearings. Public hearings here is for the Community Development Block Grant.

Madam Clerk, has anyone signed in for the public hearings on the Community Development Block Grant?

No one has signed in. Okay, thank you. Is there anybody in the audience? Mr. Mayor, before you do that, could we have the presentation first so that the community understands what this public hearing is about?

Of course. Thank you. Um, can we have a staff presentation regarding the Community Development Block Grant?

Um, Miss, Madam Clerk, where do you prefer that microphone work? Okay, I should be fine. Hi there, my name is Robin Reich. I work for Solstice Alaska Consulting. Uh, your staff contacted us to discuss the Community Development Block Grant and what the city might be interested in applying for under the program.

As mentioned during the work session prior to this, the Community Development Block Grant, or CDBG, program has a lot of hoops and hurdles that you have to get through. One of them is having a public hearing to first explain what the program can what it can pay for and what it can't pay for, and then to gather community input on what folks would like to see the grant fund, what they would like to see the city write a grant proposal for. So typically when we do these public hearings, we go through a little bit about the grant, and then we— you, the city, gives the public an opportunity to come up with projects, and then you're supposed to rank those projects, and, and the highest-ranked project is what you direct us to apply the grant for. So if it's okay with you, I will go through what the program can fund and what it can't fund. The CDBG program first, um, can fund projects up to $850,000.

It will only fund communities or community projects which benefit low and moderate income folks. And 61% of Whittier is low or moderate income. So pretty much any public project that I am about to go through can, can be funded. It would benefit the entire community and those 61% of folks.

The funding can fall within 3 categories, or more than that, actually a number of categories. It can go for public facilities such as health clinics, daycares, homeless shelters, water and sewer improvements, docks and harbors, drainage improvements, water, water lines, electrical lines, those sorts of things. It can also fund transportation improvements like roads and boardwalks and barge facilities. It can fund access to public facilities and structures. So removing things that might be a barrier for folks that have a hard time, um, accessing those areas like handicap or elderly people.

So it'll fund ramps or, um, better access into public facilities. You can buy property with it. Or you can improve property with it as long as it's for those public facilities. It can also fund fire protection facilities and equipment, so it can fund fire trucks or fire stations, for example. It funds planning projects, so it will fund, um, uh, any sort of analysis or planning projects such as a comprehensive plan or a transportation plan or an economic development plan, or designs for all of those projects that I've listed.

It will pay for special economic development projects as long as it creates jobs for low and moderate income folks.

Um, there are a number of categories that it will not fund. It will not fund equipment like motor vehicles except for firefighting equipment, computers, office furniture. It won't fund government buildings like courthouses, city halls, administrative buildings. It will not fund regular government operations. That means pretty much paying staff.

It won't fund that, and it won't fund operation and maintenance of your facilities. And finally, it won't fund political activities. So those are the types of things that it can fund. Typically in a hearing, the next step would be to get input from the public on what they would like to see funded.

Is there anything, um, additional we want to add from our staff?

Assertion. Jerome, did Chris want to add anything?

Okay.

All right, well, I'm going to open this up to public hearing.

Want to do 2 minutes at 8:25?

Okay. Do we have anyone signed in? I would jump the gun on that earlier, but let's go through formalities here. No one is signed in. No one signed.

Thank you. Is there anybody anybody in the audience who would like to speak to this, um, public hearing regarding the Community Development Block Grant?

Miss Miller, will you come up and please speak into the podium?

I think our community can use some better sidewalks and ramps and things like that for our, um, our, um, hardy walkers and bike riders in town. We have about 100 bikes and 100 children. I think that we can definitely use that kind of advance to our community to make it prettier. And Whittier—. Make— or since we're making Whittier prettier, that would make Whittier prettier.

And fixing our roads and getting more snow removal up towards Shotgun Cove Road so we can use our, our properties for year-round. Thank you, Miss Miller.

Other community input regarding this community block development block grant.

Um, for the record, um, we talked about a lot of different projects that were brought up by the public in the work session prior to this meeting, and I think For the record, those need to be discussed on the record so that we can make sure that they're documented in the minutes. So if you'll indulge me, I think the top items that were discussed were— one item was the boardwalk at the harbor, and it's a safety concern. It also has a utilidor underneath it, but it really is dilapidated. And so that was brought up as a as a safety issue. Um, I think one of the council members mentioned that the cost of replacing that boardwalk is probably something manageable from Whittier, so it might not be the best use of, of this particular source of money because we can apply for up to $850,000.

Um, I think another priority that was mentioned was the possibility of getting a water tender truck to fight fires. And given recent events in Whittier, um, the fire chief I think did a good job of explaining that, uh, Whittier is not only growing, but in order to meet fires in areas of town that don't have good water pressure or sufficient water, if we brought our existing fire truck, we, we still might not have enough capacity. So an additional tanker would give us that ability as well as the ability to fight fires in areas that don't have water, like the head of the bay or Shotgun Cove Road, which we are doing a lot of expansion on with the hopes of future development in that area. There was discussion of possible clinic facilities, but I think as we discussed in the criteria, we already have a building here that we use as a clinic, so it's, it's we probably already have the facility, but the monies can't be used for, for O&M, um, you know, staffing. And that's really kind of the issue that we have, I think, with the clinic.

We talked about asbestos at the BTI, and that that project is definitely a life safety issue and probably exceeds the city's capacity to pay for that entire project, although we do have some funding for that. And we talked about— I think somebody brought up the idea of the food bank. And finally, ADA accessibility improvement. So those are all great ideas. I think the council is going to have to at some point, you know, identify the priority.

So if the public has any additional feedback, please provide that to the city clerk and the council can get that information to make a decision. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Schindler.

Okay, opportunity to speak. Going once, going twice.

Okay, I'm going to close public hearing for the Community Development Block Grant at 8:30 PM.

Next steps for the PUC Community Block Grant.

Thanks. You will have to make a decision on what you would like to apply for. The, you know, the choice is up to you. You should think about what's your most important need and what's most supported by the community.

And then we can put together a resolution for you to go through and accept and vote on in whatever next session, formal session you have. Thank you. Okay, so just to recap, and Miss Ursinger, you can correct me. So I have, I have sidewalks, boardwalks, water tender for fire, a clinic, asbestos mitigation, food bank, ADA accessibility. So it's quite— we got quite a list here we got to go down.

And while in real life I've done maybe consensus building and stuff, but I've never done this in a city council public forum. So forgive me, this is my first time doing it.

Um, how do we want to go about this? Do we have—. Is it something that council decides? Do we want here, or do we want to garner more, like, uh, get feedback from the audience for this? You're welcome to do it whatever way you would like.

You know, it's your responsibility to rank these projects. They like that. They like to see that you've ranked them based on public input. But, you know, you got public input during this, during the work session, and I think that, that can work for you here. So, okay.

Okay, um, what do you guys want to do? We can do this where we have this list here and we can see how many times it's been brought up by a member of the public, and then we can start there as we're working on this list.

Do you have any thoughts on it, Mr. Pincush? I'm wondering if you're trying to get us—. If we're trying to come to a decision tonight, I would say I don't want to do that. We our next meeting is only a week away. I would love to have time to investigate this further, talk to more people about it, because it's been a very short notice scenario, and see where as many people as we can get.

Okay, I would want to be there. Thank you, Mr. Wagoner. Um, where can people go to take a look at the guidelines for this program that the general audience can go which would probably help facilitate a decision at the next meeting rather than trying to hammer it home now. I just, I think this is way too soon. People need time to digest it, and there's probably better ideas out there that we haven't even thought of.

So, if I might, you can go to the CDBG Alaska website. I can also provide that to the clerk and she can put it up on your website as well, the links to the program.

Thank you.

Can we make this decision next week? Will that mess up the timeline? Oh no, it won't mess up the timeline. I don't know about my availability, but I do not need to be here. Because everything's recorded.

So Mr. Pincush, Mr. Wagner, you guys want to wait till next, next week's meeting? So we have a list we got to work with here, but how are we going to narrow it down and rank it here? Yeah, Renner, how about we put up a survey online and ask our community to, um, pick which best for them.

You want to— is that something we can do here in a week? Yes, the clerk's office can get that published with the top-ranking projects that you have identified. So we can have the public access online survey, rank it, and then it'll come to the council meeting where we will consider all those rankings and then make a final decision there? Or do we just go off the rankings? Yes, the final results will come as a laydown though, because the packet gets put together on Thursday this week since Friday is a holiday.

So it would be maybe a little too short for meaningful public input. But we can bring forward a laydown at the public— at the regular meeting with the results of the survey. Yeah, Mr. Pincush, I wouldn't want new ideas to not be potential too. So we do a survey or other, other ideas.

And I have a question for Scott. Kenai Street doesn't happen to be shovel ready, does it? The answer is no. Uh, currently right now, uh, the Whittier Core Project looks at all of everything from Whittier Street to Eastern, um, all the way up to the school, and that's water and sewer extensions into the future City of Whittier parcel as well as redoing all the sidewalks, uh, and curbs and pavement with ADA, bringing everything up to current standards.

To answer your question, no, it is not shovel ready. We anticipate shovel ready in, uh, approximately 12 months.

Thank you, Mr. Kirby. Any follow-up to that?

So I think something— if no one has anything else to say, I'd like to add something that Ms. Robin here has brought up, is that this grant is available on an annual basis. It's been coming back. So, and when you finish a project, you can apply for another grant. And right now we have a lot of wonderful ideas out here, and But we're also facing a time crunch, and so that's something to consider is like, what can we do feasible with this within this time period? And in a way, it's kind of, I mean, it'll be our first time.

It's like a learning experience for us, and we will have opportunities in the future to come up with more ideas and pursue those. A thought I had probably would be, it might be wise, just like the CAPSES for the state, is to come up with maybe a rolling list of projects that we could apply to with this grant program. Maybe we can choose a low-hanging— when I say low-hanging doesn't necessarily mean low-hanging like monetary-wise, but like low-hanging-wise that we can implement in a short period of time, apply it, implement it, and then when— I'm gonna say when we are successful, we can create a rolling project list that we comply with it to with this grant. So it could include all of these projects eventually, right? Yeah.

And if I might say, you know, grant writing is an art and you have to tell a compelling story. I will say that you have a compelling story with your firefighting tender.

It will sell well. And all these ideas we have here, this, you know, whatever we decide to do will not preclude all these other ideas that have come up. Yeah. Okay. I think I've said my piece.

Any other final comments? Okay. We'll go through the motions there.

Where are we?

Next, we have council comments.

Miss Boyd.

So I wrote this when the Ted Stevens was coming in and a few other meetings had been called and canceled, so So bear with me. This week, our little city has the tremendous honor of welcoming the US Ted Stevens for its commissioning. It's a moment for Whittier to stand tall, to celebrate our community, our history, and our connection to those who serve our city or this country. The ship's motto is "Lead with Courage." I've been thinking a lot about that, a lot about those words that are asked of us sitting here on as elected leaders. Courage means being willing to explain your decisions to people who must live with them.

It means asking difficult questions questions, listening to the answers, and being willing to reconsider when the facts call for it. And sometimes courage means, I cannot support this, even when you know you may be outvoted. I stand for fairness. I stand for accountability, including our own. And I stand for treating our city manager with the same basic fairness we should expect for everyone— clear concerns, an opportunity to respond, and an honest accounting of her work.

Her performance speaks for itself in the projects that she has moved forward, the relationships she has built, and the work she has done for this community. That record deserves to be considered honestly. I'm willing to examine any documented concern about her performance as part of my responsibility, but I need more than a label. Calling someone a liability does not explain what they have done, what needs to change, or why removing them would serve this city. In my view, the actions of this council have not reflected courage.

Repeatedly scheduling and canceling meetings, casting doubt on our city manager without clearly explaining why, and leaving our community in an uncertain— in uncertainty does not build public trust, it erodes it. Courage would mean stating the concerns clearly, giving her a fair opportunity to respond, and taking responsibility for the consequences of our decisions. Before we take a step with consequences this significant, we owe our residents answers. What problem are we solving? What will this decision cost?

And those supporting her termination, I ask, have you thought beyond the vote, even beyond the day after you fire her? Who will lead our employees? Who will keep the projects moving, oversee our grant obligations, and maintain the relationships this city depends on? What is the plan for this next month, the next 6 months, and the time it takes to find a qualified replacement? The vote may only take a moment.

The consequences will belong to this community long after this meeting ends. Before asking Whittier to bear those consequences, you should be able to explain your plan. Those answers belong to every resident whose money and future were entrusted to— were entrusted to protect. This week should have given our community room to celebrate. Instead, the uncertainty surrounding these meetings have cast a shadow over an extraordinary moment for Whittier.

Our residents deserve leadership that understands the weight of that. I cannot control anyone else's vote. I can't make sure my own vote reflects— I mean, I can make sure that my own vote reflects my judgment, my conscience, and my responsibility to this community. Based on what has been presented to me, I do not— I do not support terminating our city manager. To my fellow council members, before you make this decision, be prepared to explain how it leaves Whittier better off.

Lead with courage deserves more than our applause at a commissioning. It deserves our practice at this council table.

Thank you, Miss Board. Other council comments?

Online.

Miss L, you still there?

Yes, sorry, I was having some technical difficulties, um, and apologies for not being there in person. We had a family emergency, um, Yeah, I guess I would just— I'm gonna try to keep this short. Um, I would just like to reiterate what many members of our community have voiced tonight. Um, when it comes down to it, the forward momentum for this city since we've had this administration is unparalleled. And even when I moved here, you know, everywhere I turned and asked somebody that had been here longer than me going, you know, what's that, or what's the plan for this, or, you know, I was constantly told that will never happen in our lifetime.

And I think that it's— it's foolish to look around at our community as it sits now with everything in motion and say that it would not have happened without Jackie and this team. Um, and as council members, we are elected to represent our community as best we can. And tonight, so far, it's been overwhelming. So, um, yeah, that's all I have to say in that regard. Thank you.

Thank you, Miss Luna.

Okay, I have some council comments.

I don't have anything prepared, so I'm just bored. So, um, uh, I guess I'm— sometimes I'm a storyteller. And hope you can hear me here. And if you don't know me, um, I grew up here in Whittier. I went to that school just up the street, along to like every year from kindergarten to 12th grade.

And let me tell you something about my experience growing up here in Whittier is lots of— like a big part of growing up here was like being in a revolving door. There was lots of turnover in the people that I met, my friends, the school staff, and it made growing up here pretty hard because people would come and people would go.

And the same goes with city managers.

So, so back to, back to my school days here, you know, like I felt like things really started to turn around when we got teachers that would hang around, hang around, I guess they would stay, right? They didn't just hang out. They worked here. They stayed here longer than a year or even two. You know, there was longevity there.

They built relationships. They built lives here in Whittier.

And so here, back to the city here, we have something very similar. In Alaska, city managers— I mean, it's actually nationwide— city managers have a reputation for lasting just a few years at a city. There's lots of turnover. A city will hire a city manager, they'll have them for a few years, and then they'll— something will happen. They'll resign, they get fired, I don't know, for a variety of reasons.

The city will move on to another city manager. Again, back to that revolving door, you know, projects started, projects dropped, um, relying on the staff to carry them through.

And so this latest run here with Miss Wilde here, she has— she's, you know, she's breaking that mold. She's building longevity here. She is, you know, I'm seeing her invest time herself, her emotion, emotionally, her, herself here. And it's really cool. I mean, this, and this crowd here, this showing of people and people coming up to dais speaking up for her, that is I haven't seen that.

Maybe, maybe 20 years ago. I've only been on the council for 11 years, but this is the first time I've seen that. I think that says something. You know, Jackie, she's not perfect. Sorry, Jackie.

Nobody's perfect. But what she's done is she's built an awesome team here. She's carried forth a lot of projects, you know, that have been listed, have been listed, um, by all the community members, our fellow council members. Um, yeah, has she made mistakes? Yes.

But, you know, we're human, we all do. But I support Jackie as well. You know, I think that it's important that we keep our city manager here. I believe that we go— we should go through that process that we established. We have a city manager review in November, which is only a month away.

And we want to, for lack of a better word, jump the gun here and start talking about termination before we go through this process. And I feel like that's shortsighted and that's a knee-jerk reaction. And I think that would be detrimental to the positive evolution of our city.

Thank you.

If there's no other further council comments, I'm going to open up citizens' discussion. Now, time is limited to 5 minutes per speaker on any subject matter over which the commission has control. And again, this is not a time for dialogue, is a time for citizens to speak And the council will listen. Madam Clerk, is anybody signed in for citizens discussion? Mr. Mayor, since these were for the first session, do you mind if I read the letters first and then we can go to the people in the room?

Yes. So time is limited to 5 minutes. Um, I'll set a timer and then we'll cut those letters off. Sorry, guys. Um, and then we'll move on.

Then we'll move on to people signed in and people in the audience. Okay, thank you, Mr. Mayor. The first letter is from Roma. Dear Mrs. Jackie Wilde, I'm writing to express my sincere gratitude to you and your administration for the work and improvements made throughout our small town of Whittier we call home. These include the DeLong Dock replacement, the small harbor rebuilds, the well field improvements, water and sewer projects, the Shotgun Cove Road extension, Whittier Falls Park, and the recent USS Ted Stevens commissioning.

I also appreciate the urgent plan developed just days after the fire and your prompt responses and what other community concerns. There is much more I could say about the progress and the longevity made under your administration. These improvements have made a meaningful difference in our daily lives, strengthened local infrastructure, and helped make our community safer. This shows commitment to the well-being of the Widiya its residents, and some have— some may have declined, ignored, and be furious to acknowledge and applaud the huge significance and difference from Whittier then to what is Whittier now.

Nevertheless, many of us are thankful for your steady, principled leadership, dedication, and hard work to make the city of Whittier a better place to live for everyone today and for generations to come. Sincerely grateful, Roma. Next letter is from Catherine Carlson, President of Chugach Alaska Corporation. Dear Mayor and Council Members, on behalf of Chugach Alaska Corporation, I am writing to share our appreciation for the partnership we have developed with Jackie Wild during her tenure as City Manager for the City of Whittier and to express our support for her continued leadership in that role. Throughout our interactions, Jackie has been a responsive, professional, and collaborative partner.

She has consistently demonstrated a willingness to engage with regional stakeholders, facilitate productive discussions, and foster relationships that support the interests of Whittier and the surrounding region. In particular, Jackie helped facilitate communication and coordination related to the Shotgun Cove Road project. Her efforts helped advance discussions among stakeholders regarding a project that has the potential to create economic opportunities for state, federal, and private landowners while supporting future growth in the region. Jackie has also helped facilitate a meeting between Chugach's board of directors, executive leadership, and city representatives, providing an opportunity to discuss shared priorities, ongoing projects, projects and opportunities for future collaboration. We appreciated her efforts in bringing partners together and fostering constructive dialogue that strengthened, strengthened the relationship between our organizations.

Based on our experience working with her, Jackie has been a valued partner and effective representative of the city. We appreciate her commitment to building strong working relationships and believe those efforts have contributed positively to our partnership with the city of Whittier. Thank you for your consideration.

The next letter is from Darlene Pessy. Dear Whittier City Council members, as a homeowner and proud member of the Whittier community, I am writing to express my strong support for Jackie C. Wilde and to share my concerns regarding the proposed termination of her employment as city manager. Whittier is more than just a place we live. It is our home where we raise our families, build relationships, and invest in our community's future.

As homeowners and residents, we deserve leadership decisions that are fair, transparent, and made in the best interests of our entire community. I believe Jackie's work and contributions to Whittier deserve serious consideration. A decision that could affect the future of our city should never be taken lightly. If there are concerns regarding her employment or contract, I believe those concerns should be clearly explained and addressed through a fair and transparent process. Our community deserves to understand the reasons behind such a significant decision.

I am deeply concerned about the possibility of losing our city manager without the community fully understanding the reasons behind this decision. The city council has a responsibility to listen to residents, consider Jackie's contributions, and make decisions that protect public trust. Our community deserves answers, transparency, and accountability. Whittier's future should not be decided without thoughtful consideration of the people who call the city home. I respectfully urge the city council to reconsider terminating Jackie's employment and to give serious consideration to her retaining— to retaining her as our city manager.

We need leadership decisions that bring people together, respect the voices of residents, and put Whittier's best interests first. As a homeowner, I care deeply about the future of Whittier. I want to see our community move forward with unity, fairness, and responsible leadership. We may not always agree on every issue, but we should all expect honesty, transparency, and thoughtful decision-making from those entrusted with serving our city. Jackie deserves a fair process.

Sorry, Miss Pessy. Oh, okay, okay. And our community deserves to have its voices— voice heard. There has been so many improvements in this city since Jackie took her seat. Her dedication and hard work has opened doors for projects that benefit our children and future generations.

I hope the council will carefully consider the impact this decision could have on Whittier and its residents before moving forward.

From the Tautapese family: To whom it may concern, I am writing this letter to express my sincere support for Jackie Wilde and to recognize her willingness, dedication, and commitment to serving the Whittier community. Serving a small community like Whittier requires patience, understanding, compassion, and a genuine desire to see the community grow and succeed. It takes someone who is willing to listen to the people, understand their concerns, and work towards solutions that benefit everyone. I appreciate Jackie's willingness to give her time, energy, and effort to our community. Her commitment to being involved and looking toward the betterment of Whittier deserves recognition and encouragement.

Our community needs people who— to set them together and help create positive opportunities for the future. As a community, we must agree on every issue, but we should continue to encourage those who are willing to serve and contribute to the well-being of our residents. I believe that supporting one another, communicating together, are important steps towards building a stronger Whittier. I stand in support of Jackie Wilde and her willingness to serve our community. I hope we can continue to move forward with unity, respect, transparency, and a shared vision for the future of Whittier.

Thank you, Jackie, for your willingness to serve and for the time and effort you are prepared to give to this community.

The next one is from Sarah Derding. I am writing to the council today to ask you to truly reflect on all the good Jackie has done for this community. I could list the many ways she has made a difference, but I am sure others have already done so and will continue to speak to those accomplishments tonight. We will not always agree with one another 100% of the time, and that is okay. In fact, it is through our disagreements that we create opportunities for meaningful conversations, conversations about growth, progress, and the direction we want to see our town take.

Today, I ask each of you to take an honest look at your motives and the reason behind your decisions. Are those decisions being made out of personal interests for individual gain, or on the best interests of Whittier as a whole in mind, including 2,200 people who call this community home. Whittier is not a town that belongs to one person or a select few. It is a community made up of many people, each with a voice, a stake in its future, and a desire to see it thrive. The decisions made today will affect not only those of us living here now, but also the future generations who may call Whittier home.

Their futures matter too. Growth is coming to Whittier, and it is already happening. Jackie and this administration have worked hard to build positive relationships and connections while ensuring that growth benefits our town and the people who live here, not just a handful of large corporations. We have an opportunity to shape the future of Whittier, and that responsibility should never be taken lightly. Our decisions should be guided by what is best for this entire community, not by personal agendas or individual interests.

So I ask you once again, What are your motives and who are you truly serving through your acts and actions and decisions? Please remember that the future of Whittier belongs to all of us. Let's make decisions that reflect that. Thank you. Next is from Diane Bloomer.

To whom it may concern, I am writing to share my experience working with City Manager Wilde and to offer my professional perspective on her work on behalf of the City of Whittier. In my work with Ms. Wilde, As your contract lobbyist, she has been consistently professional. She articulates the city's lobbying needs clearly and is direct about the outcomes the city is seeking. She has driven to accomplish the, the tasks set out by the council, and she approaches that work with the best interests of the city in mind.

The recent passage of House Bill 216, the transfer of railroad land to Whittier, is a good example of what that kind of dedication can produce. In addition, Mrs. Wild has worked tirelessly to advance state-funded infrastructure, harbor upgrades, and critical safety improvements for the community. I value the working relationship Ms. Wild and I have built in representing the city's best interests. Please feel free to contact me if I can provide any further information.

Next is from Benjamin Durting. To the mayor and council, Sven Durting, and I am a resident and homeowner.

I want to take a moment to recognize the work City Manager Wilde has been doing for our community. Jackie is meticulous. She follows the city code to the best of her ability when making decisions, and I trust that her decisions are grounded in the rules we've all agreed to. The results speak for themselves. Just recently, we secured a $4.1 million federal grant to be placed in the long dock, which supports roughly 17% of the city budget.

Our little field is being upgraded with $3.5 million in state revolving fund money plus congressionally directed spending. Phase 3 of the small boat harbor rebuild finished ahead of schedule, and Jackie testified in June for HB 216, which passed the House unanimously and now lets Whittier purchase about 85 acres of Alaska River land for future growth. These are only the accomplishments in a much longer record of work that she and her administration have done for this town. What stands out to me most is that Jackie is community-driven. Her decisions are made with Whittier's long-term future in mind, and they build local growth that stays in the hands of the people who live and work here, rather than handing our future over to large outside corporations.

Programs like the beautification matching grants, which help residents and local businesses invest in their own properties, are a good example of that approach. I don't know of another community of our size that has the ear of state and federal agencies the way Whittier does right now. That access is a product of careful, persistent work, and our town is better for it. Thank you, Jackie, for everything you're doing for Whittier. I look forward to seeing what comes next.

Next is from Mary Cavalier. I, uh, let's see. As homeowner of many years, I am in support of Jackie Wilde, city manager. Miss Wilde has shown fiscal responsibility, as evidenced by the completion of more than $22 million in projects over the last year. Mrs.

Wild is not only effective at completing projects but also actively pursues grants that benefit the whole community, not just individuals. Just this year, she has brought in over $7 million. That is roughly $28,000 for every man, woman, and child in Whittier in just 10 months. To the best of my knowledge, that is unprecedented for the city of Whittier. Ms.

Wild has demonstrated in her tenure a commitment to the whole community of Whittier, not just catering to a few individuals. It would cause Whittier financial hardship if Ms. Wild were let go. Can the council guarantee the continuation of both community growth and financial progress that Ms. Wild has brought to our community? Respectfully submitted.

Next is from Trinity Noel. I would like to ask—. Oh, sorry, that's for me. As someone who worked at Crazy Ray's Cafe and Phillips Cruises and Tours this summer, I had the opportunity to see firsthand how important tourism is to Whittier. And the people who call the city home.

I believe Jackie has a strong understanding of what Whittier needs to thrive. She recognizes that if tourism is going to continue bringing visitors and revenue into our community, the people who live here should have an opportunity to share in that prosperity. Tourism should benefit not only the businesses that bring visitors to Whittier, but also the local community that makes this place special. Jackie has always been kind, generous, and approachable. She has a vision for what this city can become, and I believe she understands both the challenges Whittier faces and the opportunities ahead.

Change can be uncomfortable, especially in a small rural— a small community where people care deeply about the place they call home. However, growth requires us to be willing to look beyond the way things have always been done. Progress is not always easy, but it is necessary if we want to build a stronger future. Whittier is a unique and special place. I believe Jackie genuinely cares about this city and its people, and that she has the vision to help create a future where the community can grow and its residents can prosper.

For those reasons, I respectfully ask that the city reconsider any decision to terminate Jackie's employment. Whittier deserves leadership that recognizes its potential, advocates for its residents, and is willing to work toward a future that benefits the entire community. I believe Jackie has that vision, and I support her continued employment with the city. Thank you for your time and consideration. And finally, from Joyce Stansell.

I am currently out of town. Uh, again, sorry, that was for me. I'm writing because at the last council meeting, a comment was made that the community and the council have lost faith in our city manager, Jackie Wild. For those of us who are paying attention, who live, work, and walk around our community every day, I'd say the opposite is true. And I do not want one council member speaking for all of us.

I see grant money awarded, projects moving forward that were previously thought of as unattainable, and more opportunities for residents. Whittier residents deserve the legitimacy, upgrades, and everything else that Jackie has helped bring to our community in the last 5 years. Letting her continue to work as she has is a benefit to our community, and I can only imagine what a more what amazing things could happen for us. She has advocated for this community and given us a voice. Our community is so fortunate to have a manager of her caliber working diligently for us.

Removing her will not only jeopardize current projects but will stop the forward progress completely. Things are finally happening, happening for the betterment of our community, not just for a few longtime residents. The thing is, the ones seeking her removal are benefiting from her hard work as well. Things are being done differently than in passed out in the open with lots of information provided. That makes a level playing field for all, something we— something all should appreciate.

I am expressing my strong support for Ms. Wild, and comments that she has lost the confidence are quite simply in error and misinformed. That is all of the letters.

Thank you, Madam Clerk. Is there anybody in the audience who would wish to speak at this time? Um, for the citizens discussion. Oh, well, I'm jumping the gun again. We're gonna see.

Has anyone signed in for citizens discussion?

Madam Clerk, has anyone signed in for citizens discussion? Yes, Mr. Eric Fleming.

Mr. Fleming.

Mr. Fleming, I'll put a timer up here so you can see it. Hey, Mr. Mayor, may I ask for an extension of time? I have a lot to talk about.

Uh, Mr. Fleming, in specific, just 3 minutes longer Mr. Fleming, will you, um, try to get your comments in within 5 minutes, just like everyone else? If you are staying on tech— on point toward the end, though, I can try to— I'll grant you time to wrap up your discussion, your point. Yeah, yeah, no, this is regarding the city manager, of course, but I'm asking for an extension of time, please. Just 3 minutes more is all I ask.

Mr. Wagner, go ahead. I just want to make a comment here. I, I've already passed you a note requesting that, uh, citizens' comments be moved to after the executive session because people need to get out of here.

I don't think right now the time is ticking down, and I don't think we need time to discuss Jackie. So can we—. Yeah, I understand. I'd like to give citizens opportunity to speak here. And Mr. Flavin, please, can you—.

I can speak after, I don't mind. She can read a letter. And please get your citizen comments in 5 minutes. If you still need just like a little bit of time at the end to wrap it up. I could probably grant you like, just because it's a matter of fairness for everyone here.

Okay, this is a really important topic, so you can go ahead and start. My name is Eric Fleming. I'm a lifelong commercial fisherman that has worked in and around Whittier for the most part of 25 years. On September 13th, 2024, I was minding my own business preparing for the winter when I was brought was brought to my attention that the city had begun a lawsuit against me without notice. I attempted to bring issues up to serve council at the time, serving, uh, serving the council at the time, which many of you know.

But by and large, I was cut short because of a reason that echoed some of the effects of— due to ongoing litigation, our conversation is very limited.

In turn, I was not able to resolve my situation successfully, and I was forced to enter the legal realm to defend myself in the courts. I was naive thinking the city would resolve its issue once I was able to gain communication with the city. The administration was clearly not using the correct methods in resolving my situation from the beginning. I would like for you to seriously consider why the city has expended so much money effort and time to sue me for unreasonable demands. Obviously, there were mistakes.

I mentioned abdicating the duty of the Planning and Zoning Commission, abdicating the duty of this Planning and Zoning Commission regarding this issue. However, it makes.

Situation unacceptable was that there was clear and evident mistakes made from the beginning. Instead of a willingness to use personal conflict resolution to solve them, the city manager doubled down, expanded her authority over council. If the decision of my— if the decision of my situation would have been carried out with transparency and public forum, we would never reach the horrific extremes we are at today. These actions have shown excessive waste of the city's budget and aggressive use of the resources against a community member. After one mistake, there should have been a willingness to— been a willingness to come to terms with it, to communicate, to resolve the issue.

Clearly, there was a social adversarial issue here, and any problem with how the city administrator has shown any empathy, understanding, communication, and disposition toward moving the situation forward. The council— I recently talked to many residents and perspectives on, uh, as to the matter this city is currently— there are many issues that have been brought up with deep concerns involving overstepping of a bylaw dispute resolution. I have gathered responses from residents concerns with the city manager is only doing what the ordinances allow her to do. This will be a question to the city council which they may have to contend with in the future. For instance, look at, uh, ordinance 17.36.030.

This ordinance was used to go after me with full-fledged effort to get me to abide by the city's demands on private property. How on earth is a city manager using these ordinances in such extraordinary fashion to apply law on a private citizen? I would recommend that you hire outside counsel to advise you on these special ordinances that are weighing on the city. I would also advise a form of government that allows for more checks and balances within the rules of the community. We cannot live under what feels like a social reservation.

I look for some sort of communication from you, either personally, professionally, and phone call. Administrative process and these issues of the, uh, these issues pertain to the welfare of the city. I know this is not an easy situation, but I trust you follow your sincere wisdom toward empathy, justice, and a path to resolution as it pertains to this highly uncomfortable situation. I respectfully ask that you consider these points and all the issues I brought forward regarding the situation. Thank you for your time.

Um, and then, um, so many issues around the city, where to start.

Took months, 9 months just to get a decision on a permit application.

So, 7, 7, Block 13, as you guys know, to perform any sort of work on cabins.

The gentleman wasn't able to put a shed to put things up that would allow him to work a small business. And like I said, there's a lot of things I'd love to speak in executive session that's open regarding my situation. I give authority to do that in public. Thank you, Mr. Fleming. Thank you.

Next speaker from the audience. Next one signed in is Dave Goldstein.

Mr., can I pause something really quick here? I don't think he's present, but yes, sir. So, um, I had someone, um, Mr. Wagner bring up that our attorney has to leave on the 10 o'clock tunnel, correct?

Well, I'm here to work. 10 O'clock tunnel, I understand, is the last one, so I just got to find a bed if I'm stuck late.

But you can— I mean, normally citizens' comments are after executive session, after you come out. I don't know, I don't know about Whittier, but that's the way a lot of communities do. Mm, is not how ours is structured. Ours is not structured that way. Yes.

Okay, thank you. All right, Mr. Goldstein, you still out there? Okay, thank you. Next speaker signed in. That's all that are signed in.

That's everyone signed in. Okay, thank you. Okay.

No. Is there anybody in the audience who would like to speak for citizens discussion?

Mr. Seely, come on up.

Good evening, um, Mayor and Council.

I just— it's just sad to see so much division in our community, but I just hope that we just get past this and let Jackie and, uh, administration do their job. But I support Jackie. Thank you.

Thank you, Siri.

Anyone else in the audience who would like to speak for citizens' discussion?

Okay, going once, going twice.

Thank you for all the citizens' discussion. Um, next we have council administrative response to citizens' discussion.

Yep. No, this is our, um, council and administration response to citizens' discussion. Miss Burke, this is for legal. So can, can you talk about the Fleming case at all, or what, what can we— what can we know about the Fleming case? Um, I've just looked at the lawsuit, and if council wants to get into it, I suggest an executive session with the attorney who's handling it here.

I'm not familiar with the details, just the procedural details. There was a code enforcement action. I don't know how it got to be at that point, but at some point Cities are allowed to go to the Superior Court and ask the court to order someone to follow the code or the land use code. I'm not sure what the violation was at that point. Um, the appellant, he lost at the Superior Court and he has appealed it to the Supreme Court.

There has recently been an extension on the Supreme Court. They usually give a 30-day extension automatically. He had asked for more time to present more materials, and our office did not oppose it. It's a long— litigation is a long grinding process no matter how you do it. I also understand from the record that he was allowed— oh, let me speak a little into that microphone, sir.

I also understand from the record that he— there was another inspection at the property that also failed, and I don't know the details of that. This is something that, you know, as you know, as counsel, whether it's personnel matters or legal matters, you, you know, should consult with your people who know what's going on.

Mr. Mayor, Jackie would like to speak.

Okay, Ms. Wild. Hi, Mayor and Council. I would just like to answer a little bit more. Will, thank you for helping with that. I did speak to Holly earlier today after we received Mr. Fleming's letter, and her suggestion, as well as ours back in August, was for us to go ahead and have Brian give you either a memo and a timeline.

But at the same time, about 3 weeks ago, we did ask, per your request, Mr. Shen, if we could say anything, and if you would like us, you know, about the case, and if you would like us to I can have Shelby read the attorney's response to that question.

Is that something you would like her to do now, or would you like us to schedule it for your October 20th meeting?

Okay, so I think Mr. Fleming, you know, he's seeking next steps. He wants to know what to do to fix this whole situation, right? And so this is our response from our team here, administrative and legal team, correct, Ms. Wild? Yeah, it's a response. Um, we sent him a really brief question just asking what we could talk about in open session about what has happened so far and why we are where we are.

And, um, I think Shelby has it pulled up if you'd like it read, and it is from Brian.

Okay.

This memorandum is dated August 7th, 2026, and summarizes the history and current status regarding City of Whittier versus Eric Fleming, 3AN-24-086 91 CI. It is our understanding that the purpose of this memorandum is to provide a written report that can be shared with the City Council. Accordingly, because this document is being prepared in anticipation of distribution, this report sets, sets forth the facts regarding the procedural history and current status of this litigation, current as of August 7th. Discussion of specific legal analysis or litigation strategy is confidential work product subject to attorney-client privilege and thus is not detailed in this document. On August 22nd, 2024, the city's public works director received notice showing that work was being performed on property owned by Mr. Eric Fleming that included the installation of a culvert within the bounds of the city's drainage easement.

Reading Municipal Code 17.36.030 states that it is unlawful to perform significant grading work, tree removal, or landscape alteration, or to erect, construct, reconstruct, alter, or change the use of any building, sign, or other structure or improvement within the city without obtaining a permit from the city zoning administrator. Mr. Fleming's property is located within the city, and the work being performed on the property falls within the scope of this provision of the code. No permit was issued authorizing this work. The Public Works Director attempted to contact Mr. Fleming regarding this work via phone but received no response. He requested that the Director of Public Safety speak with Mr. Fleming and inform him to cease work and obtain a permit before taking any such actions.

The Director of Public Safety met with Mr. Fleming that day, and using the Director's phone, Mr. Fleming spoke to speak directly with the Public Works Director regarding this matter. The Public Works Director verbally informed Mr. Fleming of the need for a permit for this work and that the culvert he was installing would not be approved because it does not meet the city's requirements, as its design is more prone to freezing, creating blockages, and potential flooding. The Public Works Director informed Mr. Fleming of how to obtain and submit a permit application advised where approved culverts were available for purchase, and provided other guidance in how he could proceed with the desired development on his property before concluding the conversation, stating, "You shall not install or perform any work within the drainage ditch without a signed permit." Following this conversation, Mr. Fleming spoke with the Director of Public Safety, stating that he intended to install the culvert and continue with the work anyway. The Director of Public Safety responded that proceeding with the work without a permit could result in legal consequences. Nevertheless, the city received photographic evidence later that day showing that Mr. Fleming had continued his work installing the culvert despite the clear warning that such action violated the city's municipal code.

In response to these actions, the city issued a notice of violation and stop work order on August 23rd, 2024. And further work on the property cease and desist. Whittier Municipal Code Section 17.40.020 states that the City Attorney shall immediately upon such violation being called to his attention institute injunctive abatement or other appropriate action to prevent, enjoin, abate, such violation as required by that provision of the code. Following issuance of the notice of to stop work order, the city instructed council to file this lawsuit as necessary to prevent, enjoin, abate violations of the code. Council, as in legal counsel, filed suit on September 5th, 2024, requesting that the court issue an order Mr. Fleming must obtain the appropriate building and land use permits required by law before further developing his property and requiring Mr. Fleming to restore the property to its prior condition before the unauthorized work.

On September 27th, 2024, the city sent Mr. Fleming a letter— lawsuit had been filed— while also stating that it was willing to work with Mr. Fleming to resolve the issue outside of litigation if he submitted applications for required permits and variances. And if those applications addressed requirements to bring the unpermitted work that had been done on the land into conformance with various technical requirements for the culvert. 3 Months later, Mr. Fleming filed a land use permit on December 24th, 2024. This application addressed some of the issues identified in the September 27th, 2024 letter But it did not respond to all of the identified issues that needed to be cured, including the technical requirements for the unauthorized culvert that he installed without a permit. While the second application was pending before the city, Mr. Flynn took the initiative to file a motion for judgment on the pleadings in the litigation, urging that, one, the city denied him rights to liberty and property, deprived him of due process.

2, That the city was misinterpreting the municipal code, and 3, that the city provided no evidence of his violating the code. Because these identified issues had not yet been resolved by the second permit application, council responded on behalf of the city in the lawsuit opposing Mr. Fleming's motion and filing a cross-motion for judgment on the pleadings, arguing that it was entitled to judgment as a matter of law because Mr. Fleming admitted in his answer to have performed work on his property without a permit, and that work fell within the scope of Whittier Municipal Code 17.36.030.

Those competing motions remained pending before the court for a number of months. In the interim, on April 30th, 2025, the city completed its evaluation and conditionally approved Mr. Fleming's December 27th, 2024 application. Contingent on an inspection of the property culvert to ensure that it met the technical requirements previously identified both by the Public Works Director in August 2024 and in the city's September 27th, 2024 letter. The city instructed Mr. Fleming to please contact the city to schedule the required post-installation inspection. To our knowledge, Mr. Fleming did not respond, schedule an inspection as directed by the conditional approval.

2 Months later, on July 8th, 2025, council, as in legal council, reached out to Mr. Fleming via email that the conditional approval pending its inspection could potentially resolve the need for litigation and asked if Mr. Fleming would agree to pause the litigation while a conditional approval was determined. Mr. Fleming never responded to that email. On August 7th, 2025, the court issued an order on these pending motions ruling in favor of the city. The court order states, Mr. Fleming hasn't proven that the claim the City of Whittier brings is baseless, but rather acknowledges that some of the work may have required a permit. The installation of the culvert and the drive were direct violations of Whittier Municipal Code 17.36.030, which requires a permit for any such significant projects.

Mr. Fleming hasn't shown that there are any disputes of material fact, nor has presented any evidence of was actually done, or of any of the agreements he claims to have made. The injunction requested does not impede on his right to land or liberty, as it provides that Mr. Fleming can still make improvements on his property, given that he goes through the proper permitting process. Significantly, the city did not request the imposition of any fines or penalties that would be authorized under Wader Municipal Code 17.40.050. Rather, the city only requested the court issue an order requiring Mr. Fleming to comply with the requirements of the Whittier Municipal Code for his development. The city did request reimbursement of a portion of its incurred costs and attorney's fees, as is permitted under the Alaska Rules of Civil Procedure.

In the years since that ruling, Mr. Fleming has filed at least 7 motions asking the court to reconsider or set aside its ruling in favor of the city. Each time, the court has summarily ruled in favor of the city, finding Mr. Fleming's claims and arguments meritless and upholding its decision. In April 2026, Mr. Fleming filed a notice of appeal to the Alaska Supreme Court. The court is gathering the record for that appeal, and briefing is expected to occur this fall. Given the active litigation with Mr. Fleming, our advice is that the city should direct any communications from Mr. Fleming regarding active court case, lawsuit, appeal to council.

The city, in its function in reviewing and processing land application permits or other requests relating to the use of Mr. Fleming's property, can engage in communications as it normally would on these matters.

Mayor? Yes, Ms. Mullen. Before you go on, I would also like to make an admin comment to citizen and council comments, if that's okay. Yes, this is for the responses and comments, correct? Yes.

Yes, go ahead, please.

Mayor Shen, the community members, and the council, I want to begin by saying how disappointed that I can't be there in person today. My travel plans were made well before the meeting request, the cancellations, and unfortunately I wasn't able to attend tonight in person.

I would have made every effort to be there if I would have known that, that my future with the city was in consideration tonight. I'd rather sit across from each one of you, listen to your concerns, answer your questions, and talk openly about how we could move forward. But I do not want to take all of that up tonight. I want to be able to talk about the work we have done together, the concerns that have been raised, and how I want to continue, continue serving Whittier. Municipal government, as I've always told you, is not always about making everybody happy.

If it were, we would never accomplish anything. Every discussion affects someone. Every decision affects someone. There will always be people who disagree with change, especially when changes require accountability or doing things differently that they've had to do before. I have worked hard to carry out the direction of this council, administer our municipal code, and respond to the needs of our community.

I have dealt with difficult issues, helped move longstanding projects forward, and made decisions I knew would not— I would not always have be popular. I want to acknowledge something that I've heard from multiple council members, even just tonight, that my approach can sometimes feel more direct or firm than they would like to hear, and I hear that feedback and I take it very seriously. I'm determined when there is a problem and I want to find a solution. When there is work to be done, I want to get it done. But I understand that my focus on getting to an answer can sometimes overshadow how a person feels during the process.

The feelings are valid, even when the answer itself cannot change. I can listen with more patience, explain decisions more clearly, and make sure people feel respected and heard. I own that, and I'm willing to improve it. I've also heard that some council members would like me to work with a mentor on leadership and professional development. I've always welcomed that type of opportunity.

Experience does not mean there is nothing left to learn. I'm willing to seek guidance, receive constructive feedback, and put into practice, not because following code was wrong, but because I want to keep growing as the leader for this community. My philosophy has never been to tell someone only why they can't do something. It has always been my way to ask, how can I help you accomplish what you are trying to do? Sometimes the code does not allow someone to do exactly what they want, but it does allow— but it does not always mean the conversation has to end with no.

We can often sit down, review the options, and find a lawful path that gets them closer to their original goal. I want residents and businesses to succeed in Whittier. I want people to invest in Whittier, and I want the city to— and to know their government, city government, is willing to help them. My door has always been open. I have offered to meet with people, explain processes, walk them through the options, and help them every step of the way.

But sometimes people choose not to have that conversation with me, and I may not even know that there is a concern. I cannot fix a problem I do not know exists. I cannot address concerns that have never been brought to me, and I cannot repair a relationship if I'm never given the opportunity to even have that conversation. I know people bring concerns to you as their elected representatives, and absolutely they should, and I respect that role of council. I ask that you share them and work through them together.

I cannot meet expectations that I've never been communicated to me. I can adjust my delivery, listen more carefully, and approach difficult conversations differently, but I also have a responsibility to administer the rules consistently. I cannot apply one standard to one person and a different standard to someone else. Helping people find a way forward and giving someone special treatment are not the same. We can be compassionate and consistent at the same time.

I also want to recognize the work that came before me. Many of the projects that were listed this evening, and as Mr. Gilman even said, were projects that were working long before I became your city manager. I have never taken the position that I created them. My position is you hired me to finish them, and that is exactly what I want to do. My focus has been always on honoring the commitments the city has already made, removing the obstacles, securing the opportunity, and keeping those projects moving forward to completion.

Those efforts belong to previous administrations, past and present council members, our employees, and even our community. I respect that history, and not every accomplishment begins with a new idea. Sometimes leadership means to have the persistence to finish what was started. And I'm proud of the progress we've made together. I want to recognize each one of you and what you bring to this table and to the council, to council.

Mayor Shen, I appreciate how much you care about Whittier and the time you give to our parks, our trails, and the residents and the businesses. Peter, I've always appreciated your vision for Whittier, your willingness to recognize opportunities and your willingness to play the devil's advocate at some times. David, I respect the perspective that you bring and the time you commit to public service, and I respect the meetings that we have occasionally. Renner, I appreciate your thoughtful approach and your willingness to consider different perspectives. Lori, I appreciate the time, the energy, and the heart that you give the people of Whittier.

Jamie, I recognize the importance you place on helping residents feel heard and talking about concerns seriously. And Tom, I recognize your role as an elected official, and I'm willing to have professional and productive conversations about any of the concerns you raise. Each of you brings something different to a table, and I respect that, but I'm also one person working to carry out the direction of 7 council members. While serving an entire community, sometimes expectations differ. I need clear guidance, honest communication, and an opportunity to address concerns when they arise.

You asked me to lead. You asked me to be the admin— to administer your code, address longstanding issues, move projects forward, and make difficult decisions. That is what I've worked to do, and I hear you when you say that some of those things can be done with a different approach, and I'm willing to learn that. I do not think being a stronger leader means having all the answers. I think it means listening, reorganizing, and figuring out where you can improve and continue to show up to work every day.

Tonight I'm here. Tonight I understand that you may make a decision on whether I get to continue as your city manager, but I want to say something plainly as I can. I don't want to lose my job. I love what I do. I love this community.

I love our employees. I love the residents and the people who make Whittier what it is. The job has required long hours, sacrifices, difficult conversations, and I've given those things because I believe this community and the work that we are doing, and I believe in their future. I know some people aren't happy with me. I know some disagree with decisions I have made.

I care about those people too. I've never expected everyone to like me, but I've always wanted everyone to feel treated— to be treated fairly, to feel heard, and to know that I will always find a lawful solution whenever one is available. If you believe I need stronger communication skills, I'll work on them. If a mentor would help me grow, I welcome one. If there are concerns you need addressed, tell me what they are and give me a fair opportunity to address them.

I'm not asking you to overlook legitimate concerns. I'm asking you to let me respond to them and demonstrate what I can approve. I hope you recognize the difference between a decision because someone dislikes— because of someone's dislike and a failure to do my job. I hope you can recognize that being willing to grow does not diminish the work already done or the commitment behind it. I believe the council and I can disagree, have hard conversations, and still work together for Whittier.

I want finished project— I want to finish the projects we work hard to advance. I want to help support our staff and keep helping our residents and businesses, and I want to continue serving as your city manager. I know this decision rests on you, and I respect your responsibility. I ask you to consider my service as a whole. The work, the progress, the dedication, and my willingness to keep learning.

I'm not asking for a free pass. I'm only asking for a fair opportunity. Whittier means more than I can put into words. I've listened to everyone tonight. I'm willing to listen always.

I'm willing to learn, and I'm willing to do the work necessary. I will not— I am not finished serving the community, and I hope that you sincerely understand and give me the opportunity to continue. Thank you.

Thank you, Miss Wild.

Okay, other administrative council responses to citizen discussion?

So, Mr.— I guess I just want to summarize our response to you, Mr. Fleming, so we have maybe a clear direction forward. Is that what you desire? Yeah, and maybe like, can we just, you know, put in the permit— It's done point by point. Okay. Um, you know, if you have concerns, work with the attorney on it and the administration, but you guys shouldn't be the appeals board of someone is forced— forces the city to take them to court, they're losing in court, and they just want you guys to just bypass it.

You're setting a bad precedent. But it's within your powers to direct administration to do whatever they want with a lawsuit. I mean, it appears to me that the administration has an open door. For you to— as a— for a path forward, Mr. Fleming, is that correct? I mean, that's what I'm hearing.

We have— yes, we have recently sent a notice of deficiency and, um, offered to meet with him at his property to go over the results of the notice of deficiency.

Yes. Um, come on.

Um, would you please ask the council to relax the rules to—. Yes, I'm— Yeah, I'm sorry, council, can we relax the rules to— No. No. Okay. No, I'm sorry, sir.

Okay.

Next up on our agenda, we have our executive session.

Okay, my gosh.

Let's— okay, one thing at a time. So we're going to need a break. Ms. Brady wants to say something here. Do we want to make the motion before we go, or do I allow Ms. Brady to speak?

I would say that her comment should be done during the discussion of the motion. Okay, first make the motion, second the motion. Council determines it's worth discussing, then you have the discussion. Okay, let's do a break here because, Mr. William, I think you're gonna— it's gonna be a late night for you.

All right, call for a motion.

Is there a motion and second to enter into executive session to review the city manager contract with consideration of contract termination as per William Municipal Code 2-08.040, matters that if immediately disclosed would tend to adversely affect the finances and the city of the William Municipal Code 2-08.040, to discuss legal matters or to receive legal advice from an attorney. Um, second. Okay, no discussion. Sorry, who made that motion? I apologize.

Mr. Denmark.

Any discussion? Miss Burke. So before we go in— before we go into executive session, uh, this week I called legal and asked this question. Has she done anything to put the city in financial jeopardy? Has she broken her contract in any way?

Holly wrote back to me, the answer is no on all accounts, at least to knowledge of legal counsel. I am copying Will so he is prepared to answer this question. He answered that question. I have not heard anything beyond what was said at the meeting. I also asked for the financial records of how, how much money and time this took, all these meetings back and forth.

Just for Councilman Wagner, $5,225.50. But I dug a little deeper, and if you go into general business, there's another $4,725.

So that's about a little over $10,000 that this has cost you. So, let's all think about that when we go into executive session. If we go into executive session, because I will be voting no to going to executive session.

Hello, discussion. Mr. Mayor, can you hear me? Yes, Miss Lauren. Um, yeah, just for, uh, to be transparent, I also called the lawyer after the last meeting because there were some comments made.

That hinted at or kind of asserted that there had been some sort of legal issue, um, or misstep, and I wanted to have an informed vote. So I asked legal if there was anything, um, that was going on that I did not know about, or concerns raised, or something that put the city at risk that Jackie had done, or any violation, and I was told no, that it was a a personal matter. And, um, and then, you know, in, in the meeting last week I asked— or the last meeting I asked, you know, why? And I just kept getting, I can't say, I can't tell you. Um, so as far as going into executive session, I would say we don't all have to like each other, but this feels very emotional based.

And something that I've been told since I was very little was that facts do not care about our feelings. So if this is going to be a discussion about her character, we need to have it in an open session. And if it's about her contract, I would say that we should be having the contract discussion during her review in November.

Thank you, Miss Lynn. Is that it?

Okay, Mr. Pincush. I'll just say this is a personnel matter. Personnel matters are usually handled in executive session. And I ask the question, how many of you know why Jason Cates was terminated? I don't.

I'm on the city council. I trust the city manager did it right. We're supposed to— we are the city manager supervisor, but we're not allowed to address it the same way professionally without having to put all the dirty laundry out in front. Why? That's all.

Thank you, Mr. Pincush.

Other comments? Mr. Wagner?

No, thank you.

Any further discussion about the motion to go into executive session? Yes. Yes. Okay, which— so the motion on the table is to go into executive session or not, um, and the city manager can decline to do so should we vote to do so. Is that correct?

Through the mayor. No, Mr. Denmark, these are not the reason. The reason that, uh, could be stated for executive session is tend to prejudice the character of an individual, and that in that case, the individual has the right to request it be in open session. Neither of the reasons that were provided are that reason, so no, she cannot request it to be in open session. Per the reasons that have been requested.

Thank you. Thank you. Any further questions or comments?

Okay, Madam Clerk, will you please call the roll? Voting on the motion to enter into executive session to review City Manager contract with consideration of contract termination as per Whittier Municipal Code 2.08.40, that if immediately disclosed, would tend to adversely affect the finances of the city, and we do Municipal Code 2.08.40 to discuss legal matters or receive legal advice from an attorney. Mr. Denmark? Yes. Mr. Wagner?

Yes. Mr. Mccolto? Yes. Mr. Pinkush? Yes.

Mrs. Loan? No. Mrs. Borg? No. Mr. Mayor?

No. The motion passes 4 to 3, and council enters into executive session at 9:51 PM. Who would you like to stay? Have our attorney—. Attorney— one on the council.

You don't have to specify them. Yeah.

Yeah, that's pretty much it. I said thank you.

Yes, sir. Through the tunnel. So, okay, you guys are done here, I have keys to the tunnel. You'll just follow me in the cop car. Okay.

And I'll get you— Shelby knows how to find you? She— yeah, she's got my number. Okay. She can get a hold of me. She's got my work cell.

Cool. I'll be here until the— all right, that happens. All right, thanks. I appreciate it. Will, do you have a place to stay tonight?

The police are going to take me through this tunnel. I didn't think of that.

So I'm going to move us and move you and the council into a breakout session. So, um, you might have to select yes on the pop-up that comes up, but other than that, it should carry you through. Okay. Um, yeah, I'll, I'll text you if I have any issues. Okay, perfect.

Thank you. Thank you.

Is there a motion to exit executive session?

So moved. Second. No further discussion.

Madam Clerk, will you please call the roll? Voting on the motion to exit executive session. Mr. Wagner. Yes. Mr. MTO.

Yes. Mr. Pinkish. Yes. Mrs. Lone.

Yes. Mrs. Borg. Yes. Mr. Denmark. Yes.

Mayor Shen. Yes. The motion passes and council exits executive session at 10:52 PM.

Okay, is there any further business?

All in favor? All right, this meeting is adjourned at 10:52.

They're in— they're in discussion.

Let's all just— yeah, that's fine.