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Alaska Legislature: Senate Labor & Commerce, 3/27/26, 1:30pm
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I'd like to call this meeting of the Senate Labor and Commerce Committee to order.
The time is now 1.34 p.m. We are in belt room 105.
Today is Friday,
March 27,
2026.
Members present are Senator Gray Jackson,
Senator Merrick,
Senator Dunbar, and Senator yon't.
Let the record reflect that we have a quorum to conduct business.
I myself am also here.
Welcome everyone.
Senate Labor and Commerce,
please join me in welcoming our recording secretary,
Carrie Tupo, and LAO moderator,
Doug Bridges. Please turn off or silence your cell phones.
We have two items on our agenda today.
First up is Senate Bill 124, nurse licensure,
multi-state compact.
Following that will be Senate Joint Resolution 28,
supporting J-1 and H-1B visa programs.
First,
we will take up Senate Bill 124. We have opening remarks on the bill from
Commissioner Heidi Hedberg and Deputy Commissioner Anna Latham.
Welcome to Senate Labor and Commerce.
Please join us at the table.
State your names and affiliations for the record and begin your presentation of the bill.
all right for the record my name is Anna Latham I'm the deputy commissioner at the Department of Commerce Community and Economic Development
Thank you, Mr.
Chairman and the Senate Labor and Commerce Committee for hearing SB 124 this afternoon.
This has been the department's top legislative priority for the past three years.
The math is really simple.
We graduate about 350 licensed nurses each year in Alaska.
At the same time, we face a shortage of around 1,100 nurses across our state.
The reality is that we're already losing ground,
and we want to remove barriers that keep qualified people from practicing.
were there needed most.
And you might ask why joining the NLC is important to the Department of Commerce.
For those of you that have been on the committee for a while,
you might recall that the corporation's business and professional licensure division had some severe challenges with staffing and license turnaround during and after the pandemic.
Under Commissioner Sandy and Director Rob's leadership,
licensing times have improved and currently it takes just a week for a nurse license to be issued if the application is complete when it's submitted.
Director Rob and her team are consistently chipping away at modernizing the licensing process with the goal of having everything online through the My Alaska app.
Right now we have all professional license renewals available online and about half of our initial applications.
The nurse licensure program is one of the largest programs that CBPL administers.
Joining the NLC will remove much of the administrative burden and free up existing staff to focus on process improvements across all business,
corporate,
and professional licenses.
In this legislature,
clearly understands the value of compacts and has demonstrated that through the eight compacting bills that are under consideration this year.
And the 33rd legislative legislature also passed two compacting bills quite recently.
The NLC is not a new concept.
It's the longest standing professional licensure compact.
It has a proven framework for mobility,
efficiency,
and workforce stability.
44 jurisdictions are already in the NLC and six states have pending NLC legislation.
So I urge this committee to move SB 124 forward to strengthen Alaska's health care workforce and ensure that Alaskans have access to the care they deserve.
And there's been an increased interest in health care compacts with the Department of Health's engagement in the Rural Health Care Transformation Project.
And I'm pleased that Commissioner Hedberg is here to speak about the critical role that the NLC plays in the Rural Health Care Transformation Project.
Good afternoon, and for the record,
my name is Heidi Hedberg,
Commissioner for the Department of Health.
The Alaskan Department of Health is in support of this bill because it's both a workforce solution for Alaska and a critical component of the rural health transformation program. Last year, Congress passed H.R.1, creating the Rural Health Transformation Program,
and it's to strengthen Alaska's health care system by improving access,
stabilizing providers,
and advancing.
and care delivery systems,
particularly in our rural communities.
Alaska received the second highest award in the nation. That award was $272 million for the first year.
If you look at per capita,
it was the highest in the nation.
This was a highly and is a highly competitive grant.
As part of our application, we made commitments to implementing several key policies identified by the Centers for Medicaid and Medicare Services,
also known as CMS,
that represent five professional licensing compacts. The Nurse Compact licensure before you today is one of them.
If Alaska does not implement these compact licenses by the end of the calendar year 2027,
there is risk of losing a portion of the rural health transformation funding.
The exact amount is not known.
I want to be clear,
I don't want Alaska to lose any funding with this critical investment into our health care system.
This funding really represents a once-in-a-generational opportunity to strengthen our healthcare system and improve health outcomes for Alaskans. That said, our support for the Nurse Compact licensure does go beyond this grant.
Alaska faces ongoing challenges in recruitment and retention of nurses. During the pandemic,
I saw firsthand when I was the director of...
of public health leading through the pandemic, how licensing delays impacted our ability to bring in needed staff when hospitals were under strain.
That compact could have helped remove those barriers by allowing qualified nurses to practice in Alaska more quickly while maintaining the authority to regulate and discipline.
It's also important to know that Alaska would be joining the majority of states.
The compact is well established,
widely adopted,
and strongly supported by Alaskans nursing communities.
The bottom line is very simple.
We need more nurses in Alaska and we need to make it easier for them to come here and stay here.
And this legislation will help us do that while also protecting a significant federal investment in our healthcare system.
Thank you.
Senator Gray Jackson has a question.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman,
and thank you both for your presentations.
And I heard you say that the exact amount is unknown if we don't move forward with this.
But I had heard, and I don't do rumors,
but I'd heard that it's about a million each year.
Through the Chair,
Senator,
that's a great question.
I think everyone has heard many presentations on the rural health transformation and their takeaway has been some degree or trying to calculate their own math.
Simply stated,
because this is a competitive grant,
the states are ranked annually based off of the progress of the commitments in their application. So every year they will be looking at.
at the work that was completed if we followed through on those commitments.
If we did not, we will have a clawback of funding and then it will impact the future funding.
But because it's constantly changing every year,
we don't know that exact amount.
Thank you. Thank you, Mr.
Chairman.
Are there any other questions for the Commissioner or Deputy Commissioner?
Senator Yunt?
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you both for the presentation so far. Earlier you had mentioned we need to - we're graduating about 350 nursing students annually in Alaska, did I understand that correctly? And we're about eleven hundred short statewide, give or take, right?
Senator Yunt, through the chair, we need - our shortage is around I think thirteen hundred to be approximate.
Do you know how many nurses we have total in Alaska, just so I can kind of try to figure out the percentage of the shortage?
The director of CBPL will have that information. I'd rather, I know she's quoted it earlier to me today. So she'll have that. Senator Yannick.
She's next on our lineup.
Okay.
Okay, I'll hold some more - I'll hold some questions for a bit then,
Yeah.
thank you.
Any further questions for Commissioner Hedberg or Deputy Commissioner Latham?
Seeing and hearing none. Ladies, thank you very much for being with us here today.
Up next is the illustrious director of the corp
from DCCED.
Sylvan Robb. Director Robb, welcome back to Senate Labor and Commerce.
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Chair.
Good afternoon, fellow members of the Senate Labor and Commerce Committee. For the record, I'm Sylvan Robb, Director of the Division of Corporations, Business and Professional Licensing.
Thank you so much for hearing the nurse licensure compact this afternoon.
I realize the committee has been talking a lot about compacts recently,
and all of which are important and will benefit the state,
the relevant professionals and the Alaskans they care for.
However, I do want to note from a licensing standpoint and based on vacancy rates for the profession in the state,
the Nurse Licensure Compact or NLC is the most important of the compacts for us to pass,
and that's why this bill is the department's top priority.
And Mr.
Chair, would you like me to just proceed or answer Senator Young's question?
I have that information in the slide shortly.
Yes, that would be great.
Thank you.
Um so on slide two you can see the structure of the N_L_C_ Since everyone is more familiar with compacts at this point, we're not going to start at the beginning explaining what they are in general.
The N_L_C_ covers registered nurses and licensed practical nurses. To give you a sense of the scope of this, in fiscal year 2025 we had just over twenty six thousand R_N_s and just under a thousand L_P_N_s.
We do want to be clear that the compact simply offers another pathway to legally practice in Alaska. If Alaska joins,
no one has to participate in the compact if they choose not to.
This creates options,
but is definitely not mandatory.
For being the first and longest standing professional licensure compact,
it is very elegantly designed and a simple structure. It is the same structure as the Social Work compact you have been discussing in HB110.
If an RN or LPN lives in a compact state and meets the licensure requirements in the compact,
they can obtain a multi-state license from their home state.
Using that multi-state license,
they can practice in any of the 43 compact jurisdictions.
If a nurse moves from one compact state to another compact state,
they have 60 days to obtain a multi-state license from their new home state.
If a nurse moves from a compact state to a non-compact state,
they must obtain a license in each state for which they wish to practice.
If a nurse only wants to practice in Alaska,
they have the option to keep or apply for a single state Alaska license.
Every Alaska employer will be able to easily verify if a nurse is actively licensed to practice in Alaska through the national online quick confirm license verification offered through Nursys, uh which specifies which state or states a nurse holds a license in and whether it's a single state or multi-state license. All states, whether they've joined the compact or not, currently participate in this national database.
So here on slide three you can see the requirements for getting a multi-state license through the NLC compared to the current requirements to obtain an Alaska license.
You can see that the compact and Alaska have the same requirements when it comes to education,
exam,
the requirement for a fingerprint-based background check,
and the requirement for English proficiency if someone's education wasn't taught in English.
Beginning with item seven on this chart,
you can see that the compact has higher standards. It does not allow anyone with a felony conviction,
anyone with a misdemeanor conviction related to nursing,
or anyone currently enrolled in an alternative to discipline program.
These are usually programs used for an individual with a substance misuse disorder. This is how we have confidence that nurses practicing
In Alaska,
using a multi-state license are safe and will not lower the standard of care in Alaska.
These are squeaky clean nurses,
if you will.
And just to be clear,
the option to obtain a single state Alaska license is not going away.
Anyone who either does not qualify for a multi-state license or does not want a multi-state license can continue to get a single state license.
This is adding options,
not removing them.
When applying for a single state license,
items seven through ten on the chart are considered on a case-by-case basis by the Alaska Board of Nursing,
which may choose to allow someone to obtain an Alaska license with those items in their background,
and that process will continue to be an option for people.
For other compacts, we've had a concern about professionals working under a multi-state license or a compact privilege not having the cultural awareness our Alaska-based professionals have.
If this concern transfers to nurses,
it's important to note that Alaska does not have any such training requirement for Alaska nurses currently.
If such a requirement exists for cultural training or cultural competency,
it's at the employer's discretion.
Before we leave that slide,
I'm wondering about
background checks and safeguards and you mentioned your confidence level in the compact licensed nurses
Recently in my community, we had a rather horrific situation with a nurse who was a traveling contract nurse who wound up having some very severe mental health issues and had some problems at work, was reported to the police.
She continued to spiral and then wound up brutally murdering her landlord,
stabbing him over 70 times.
many times.
So could you tell us more about kind of the safety of licensees for traveling nurses and how like how we can ensure that folks who who come here that if they are if they are okay when they start how do we continue through that process?
It's just I think many people are alarmed that
This this gal was reported at work to have issues and then the cops came and maybe this is a like a law enforcement problem
Yeah.
How can we be sure that things like that don't happen with licensing is there anything we can do to help
Yeah,
thank you for that question,
Mr.
Chair.
To the chair, I'm familiar with the case you're referring to.
Certainly, it's worth pointing out that we are not currently in the compact,
and so the individual in question had obtained an Alaska license through our current process.
Nurses are required to renew their licenses every two years in the period of time between when they obtain a license or when they...
They last renewed and the next time they renewed,
unless we receive a complaint,
we don't have a lot of interaction with them.
Certainly, it's obviously extremely unfortunate that no one in that individual's life or at her workplace recognized the magnitude of the issue she was struggling with and was able to get her the assistance she might have needed. But it feels more like a law enforcement problem than a.
a nurse licensure problem.
Thank you.
Moving on to slide four,
you can see part of the reason it takes time to implement a compact after the legislation passes.
This is because one of the most important pieces is ensuring all member states can share information about nurses in their state.
Being a member of the compact will improve our communication with other states because all member states participate in a coordinated information system with information on licensure.
And all member states have to promptly report license action or a significant investigation,
denial of licensure, or a nurse in an alternative to discipline program.
In discussions on other compacts, concerns have been raised about the inability to sort of tweak the terms of the compact as we see fit.
But we'd like to point out that all states being required to adopt the exact same language and terms into their statutes is a good thing.
This is how we can trust the compacts.
If everyone was able to tweak around the edges,
we wouldn't be sure that all the other states were holding nurses to the same requirements.
requirements and standards, quickly investigating complaints against their nurses and immediately reporting disciplinary actions.
If each state could tweak the compact language,
it would no longer be in agreement between all the states, but rather blind reciprocity, which wouldn't work for Alaska and could create public safety or standard of care issues.
The fact that we know all NLC states have adopted exactly what we're looking at today into their state laws
is why we can trust it.
Here on slide five,
we want to cover disciplinary authority under the NLC,
sort of addressing your question,
Mr.
Chair.
So we want to be clear we are not giving up any sovereignty because both the Alaska Board of Nursing retains the right to investigate and discipline a nurse practicing in Alaska under a multi-state license up to revoking that nurse's privilege to practice in Alaska,
regardless of which state issued their multi-state license.
This is the same authority we currently have.
It's just called action against their multi-state privilege rather than against their Alaska license.
If we did take license action,
we'd immediately report that to the shared data system I mentioned earlier,
who would ensure that the home state was aware and that all the other states would be able to see that as well,
helping improve public safety across state lines.
The compact requires the board to apply Alaska statutes and regulations to determine the appropriate action.
These laws remain fully under the legislature and board's authority.
The compact has no jurisdiction.
over Alaska's nursing laws or due process requirements.
The bottom line is that our Board of Nursing will retain full authority over nursing practice in Alaska and who can practice here.
And as a reminder,
if a nurse loses their multi-state license,
whether it was issued by Alaska or another state,
they can still opt to apply for a single state Alaska license through our standard process and have their situation evaluated by the Board of Nursing.
Moving on to slide six.
I've touched on this already,
but I really want to stress this point.
Are we handing over control of the practice of nursing to the compact?
And the answer to that is absolutely not.
Neither the Alaska Board of Nursing,
nor the administration,
nor I feel confident would the legislature be willing to allow another state or a multistate entity to dictate the practice of nursing in Alaska.
No one is interested in or willing to give up state sovereignty.
Governance. Governance of the practice of nursing in Alaska remains first and foremost with the Alaska Legislature through the statute you pass and then through the regulations that are adopted by the Alaska Board of Nursing.
And a nurse must follow the laws of the state where their patient is located.
Okay,
so that covers jurisdiction over individual nurses,
but what about the NLC itself?
Who has jurisdiction over the operation of the NLC?
And the answer is the member states do.
Every member state adopted the compact exactly as you're seeing it into their statutes.
Within those statutes, Article 7 of the compact establishes the interstate commission of nurse licensure compact administrators or the NLC commission,
which is an instrumentality of all the party states,
each of which appoints one administrator who has one vote on all NLC matters.
including the creation of rules and bylaws.
Only member states have a seat on the compact commission,
so the NLC is controlled exclusively by those member states.
This is a typical compact structure.
It is the structure of the two professional licensing compacts of which Alaska is already a member and the other seven currently before the legislature.
Also,
all of the Compact Commission meetings are public. They are required to be noticed in advance,
and they all have to follow the Administrative Procedures Act.
So it's an open process.
Here on slide seven,
let's talk about costs.
Let's start with the cost to licensees.
Alaska will set an appropriate fee for a multi-state license.
This bill includes language to set the multi-state license fee at twice the cost of a single state license.
Currently that cost is $200 for a two-year license.
The reason the fee-for-a-multi-state license was structured this way is to ensure those Alaska nurses who only want a single-state license are paying less than those with a multi-state license.
For many nurses,
a multi-state license will save them money and headaches as some nurses currently hold licenses in three or four states or even more,
and so they're paying all of those individual state licensing fees as well as dealing with the headaches of tracking different.
expiration dates,
and different requirements.
The compact itself does not charge a fee to individual nurses.
The compact does, however,
charge the state $6,000 to be a member.
You might be wondering,
wondering why there's a zero fiscal note when there's that cost.
We are confident that despite the annual assessment fee,
we will still save a lot more than we spend by joining the compact,
which will also result in lower licensing fees.
I'll get into this in more detail on slide nine.
Senator Dunbar has a question.
Thank you, Mr.
Chair.
So $6,000 annual fee.
Let's say that all 50 states were in the compact.
That's still only $300,000 a year.
What's their other revenue source?
How are they able to survive?
That would only pay for a couple of staffers.
Through the chair to Senator Dunbar,
they do receive some funding from other sources. I do believe,
Mr.
Chair,
on the line for questions, we have Nicole Lovanos.
Yes, we do.
Ms.
Lovanos, did you hear Senator Dunbar's question?
Okay, thank you so much.
I did.
And through the chair, Senator Dunbar,
the NLC Commission does have a memorandum of understanding with the National Council of State Boards of Nursing.
And under that MOU,
NCSBN does provide support for staff and services to assist the commission with its operations.
And just to follow up on the staff for the NLC,
there are three staff members for the entire Nurse Licensure Compact.
Follow-up?
Not this time, Mr. Chair. Thank you.
Thank you. Any further questions during this break in the action for Director Rob?
Please continue,
ma'am.
Thank you, Mr.
Chair.
Moving on to slide eight,
let's talk about the costs associated with not joining the NLC.
As we heard Commissioner Hedberg explain,
we will lose a sizable amount of rural health transformation funding.
There are millions associated with a failure to join.
Another cost is that we are currently incentivizing our Alaska graduates to leave Alaska and move to a compact state if they are interested in operating as a travel nurse.
In conversations with our nursing schools,
we are currently incentivizing our Alaska
They tell us that this is fairly common for new graduates.
graduates to leave Alaska and move to a compact state if they are interested in operating as a travel nurse.
People are young and don't have a lot of obligations,
and so it's a great time to travel and see the country.
And again,
the incentive to leave the state is because you can only obtain a multi-state license if you live in a compact state.
Given that we only graduate 350 of the 1,100 nurses we need every year,
this incentive for people to leave the state is not helping with that shortage.
In the same vein,
we have created a disincentive to move to or return to Alaska,
since again a nurse holding a multi-state license who moves here now must give up that multi-state license.
Finally,
we have some of the highest nurse licensure fees in the country because we process so many redundant applications as a result of not being in the compact,
which I'll talk about more on the next slide.
However,
I first want to note that AHA,
the Alaska Health Care and Hospital and Health Care Association,
has found that 25% of traveling health care professionals, and again, that's all health care professionals, not just nurses,
but 25% of those folks who come to Alaska.
up to come to Alaska permanently.
Alaska really sells itself.
We are confident that if we remove the loss of your multi-state license currently associated with becoming an Alaska resident,
more nurses will make our state their home.
Moving on to slide nine.
As promised,
let's talk about why we are so confident that joining the NLC will result in savings for our division and therefore lower licensing fees for our nurses.
Licensing fees are statutorily set to be an amount that covers the cost of regulating the occupation.
The annual cost to regulate nurses over the last five years has been in excess of $3 million annually.
That cost is so high because the team that processes nurse license applications is almost triple the size of our next largest team.
It is comprised of 13 people, including eight licensing examiners.
The cost of a single licensing examiner, too,
is $113,000 annually.
If we join the NLC,
we will no longer process applications for nurses that hold multi-state licenses in other states,
which are basically redundant for us to process since another state has already confirmed those nurses meet standards higher than Alaska's.
If we have fewer applications to process,
we don't need as many examiners.
We'd reassign existing examiners to other programs that have room to improve processing times.
And we would shrink staff by eliminating examiner positions as they became vacant if they were no longer needed for other programs.
So even though the annual cost will be $6,000,
we know we will actually save money by joining the NLC if even just one examiner is reassigned,
hence the zero fiscal note.
Additionally,
no state has reported an increase in investigation costs as a result of joining the NLC.
This is primarily because multi-state nurses have to remain squeaky clean in order to retain their multi-state privileges.
Here on slide 10,
while there has been limited but vocal opposition to the NLC,
there is overwhelming support for Alaska to join.
First and foremost,
there is substantial support by those most impacted,
Alaska's nurses.
We surveyed all Alaska nurses in the late fall of 2023,
and 92% of nurses were in favor of joining the NLC.
Among nurses who live in Alaska,
the results were 89% in support of joining the NLC,
and 85% among union nurses.
We conducted the same survey in 2019 and got the same results. 92% want to see Alaska join the NLC.
As you know,
there is a lot of legislation introduced regarding professional licensing.
We have seen more public engagement on the NLC than any other bill in the last decade.
The Board of Nursing has been copied on 99 letters of support from individuals and 12 from entities submitted to the legislature so far in the 34th legislature prior to this week, and that was without the bill having been scheduled.
We don't know how many more letters may have come in since the hearing was scheduled.
In the 33rd legislature,
the board was copied on even more.
more letters of support from individuals and organizations.
Though we didn't want to overwhelm the committee,
we have lists of all the individuals and organizations that copied us on letters of support and opposition or that were posted on BASIS since NLC legislation was first introduced in 2020.
So if any committee member would like to see those lists, please let us know and we're happy to share.
Slide 11 shows the Coalition of Support for the NLC from the interim between the 32nd and 33rd Legislature. Since that time more organizations have expressed support,
including the Alaska Commission on Aging and the State Medical Board.
Obviously, we're not going to read through all of these,
but I do hope you will to see the breadth of support.
A few to highlight include tribal organizations like the Alaska Native Medical Center, the Alaska Native Tribal Health Consortium,
Bristol Bay Area Health Consortium,
Manilic Health Center,
Norton Sound Health Consortium, Southeast Alaska Regional Health Consortium, and the Yukon Kuskokwim Health Corporation,
plus associations of health care providers, including the Alaska Native
Alaska State Medical Association,
Tribal Health Center.
the Emergency Nurses Association,
the Alaska Behavioral Health Association,
the Alaska Primary Care Association,
and every single hospital in Alaska.
But it's not just health care associations like the APRN Alliance who you'll hear from in a few minutes who are supportive.
It also includes the AARP,
Chambers of Commerce,
the Alaska Municipal League,
Schools of Nursing,
the Department of Defense and the United States Department of Commerce.
I'll stop now,
but I really do want to emphasize the depth of support for the NLC statewide.
Moving on to slide 12.
So why is there so much support for the NLC?
While this is ultimately a licensing issue,
access to health care is a quality of life issue.
Heck, it's even sort of a life issue if you need health care and you can't get it because of a lack of providers.
You can see the numbers on the slide. It's taking nearly five months to fill a vacant hospital RN position and more than six months to fill one in a long-term care facility.
While we don't have statistics on it, we know recruitment times are similar,
if not worse,
for other facilities like health care clinics,
especially in our remote communities.
Passing the NLC is important because our situation is only projected to get worse.
We're projected to have the worst nursing shortage in the country by 2030,
while seven compact states are projected to have a surplus of nurses.
If we join the NLC and make it easier for nurses to come up and give Alaska a try,
this helps us.
Alaska sells itself and it's a great place to live.
Joining the NLC will give us access to more squeaky clean nurses.
More than 80% of the country is part of the compact,
so nurses are less willing to jump through additional hoops to come here.
It will allow nurses to more easily try Alaska and fall in love with it.
It will remove the incentive we've created to not become an Alaska resident.
It helps military families, and nursing is one of the top ten military spouse professions.
It will lower licensing costs for nurses.
It will make it easier for our health care facilities and clinics to recruit nurses,
and it will prevent us from losing any of our rural health transformation funds by failing to join something that has been working for 43 U.S. jurisdictions and has been around for 25 years.
Finally,
on slide 13,
here's a map of the NLC jurisdictions.
This is not a red state or a blue state issue.
As this map shows,
you can see Texas,
Florida,
Wyoming,
Idaho are all members of the NLC.
And you can also see Washington,
Massachusetts,
Rhode Island,
Connecticut are also members of the NLC.
And with that, Mr.
Chair,
I am happy to go through a brief sectional, answer any questions, or move on to our invited testifiers, as you wish.
Thank you. Are there any questions from committee members?
Senator Dunbar.
Thank you, mr.
Chair. Uh I think you said th did you say we were number one in the nation for a nursing sh shortage or one of the top for nursing shortage?
Through the chair to Senator Dunbar, we have the largest and we are projected to continue there.
Can you
Can you give me a s can you send us a citation to that list? I'd like to know where that comes from and sort of, you know, the rank order of all the states and in that list.
Through the chair Senator Dunbar, certainly. Off the top of my head I believe the citation for that is RN.org.
Um
Anything?
Senator Young.
Oh, yeah,
thank you through the chair to Director Sylvan Rubb.
A couple of quick questions. Earlier there were some numbers thrown out there.
So we got about 26,000 RNs in Alaska,
and you're figuring about 1,300 or so a year are leaving the, you know, the profession.
That's 5%. I assume that's an average of a 20-year career.
People retire, they move, whatever it may be.
How many do we have coming up right now? What is the delay when somebody comes to Alaska?
And bear with me, I have professional licenses and CUs I have to do every year too, but it's not for this. So this is, it's not my area of expertise, which is why I'm asking.
But if somebody comes here as a nurse from another state,
what is the timeline to obtain a license in Alaska?
Because don't all nurses, I believe, take the same test nationally?
It's the same one, I'm going to say this.
This incorrectly, but it's like INCLEX or something, right?
Um yes, through the chair to Senator Yonta, um I'm very impressed you have the the name of the exam correct, um and it is a national exam that nurses take. So currently um the time as Deputy Commissioner Latham mentioned to obtain a uh nurse licence um from the time we get a complete application is just about a week. Um but some of the issue Senator is that
But for anyone who is used to living in a compact state,
they are used to no cost,
no delay,
no paperwork that they need to need to put up with. So it does create a barrier,
even though right now processing times are are good.
Follow-up, Mr. Chairman?
Yes.
Thank you. And I certainly see the convenience of that in states possibly like Oregon,
Idaho as an example where,
you know, I see.
You could drive to another state, possibly even work in a state you don't live in and be there in the same amount of time as it drives to, you know, takes a drive from Nevada to Anchorage.
We're a little bit different,
we're unique in the sense that we're separated from most.
Do you know the average salary for an Alaskan nurse and an average salary for the United States for an RN?
Through the chair to Senator Yant, I do not have that information.
Mr. Chair,
I don't know if Ms.
Lovanos might know that information.
If not,
you can get it to me the next time I hear the bill or whatever.
I guess.
I don't know.
I think the other day we were told I think 22.9% give or take of Alaska's workforce right now currently lives out of state and they come here for rotational work.
I know in a lot of our remote locations rotational work is an option.
It's a little bit worrisome to me,
I won't lie,
in regard to making it easier for people to snowbird, I guess you could say, or live here half the time, work here half the time and then take their money to where they're going to live.
where they're at. But um I'll continue to do homework on it. So thank you.
Uh through the chair to Senator Young. Um I would just say that you know we do
feel like the best opportunity to create a warm and welcoming climate for nurses and attract them to the state is not to,
and I know this isn't what you were suggesting,
but to sort of hold them hostage by making it harder for them to go elsewhere to practice.
Additionally,
we really like our odds. There are 2.4 million RNs and LPNs who have a compact license.
We have twenty seven thousand Alaska licensed RNs and LPNs. So it gives us quite a few people to to choose from and to attract.
Senator Dunbar.
I I'm sorry if you said this before, but there's twenty seven thousand licensed. How many of them currently live out of state? And then how many folks are licensed or have
the sort of qualifications to be licensed but aren't not have left the profession for other reasons aren't practicing anymore whether it's work conditions or pay benefits here in Alaska do you have those numbers?
Through the chair to Senator Dunbar, to your second question about how many people have left the profession,
that's not a question we can answer because we don't track.
People can renew their license,
but just because they didn't doesn't mean that they're maybe not just taking a break while they have other life circumstances that are preventing them from working or that they're not still practicing nursing but in a different location.
as to your first question, I apologize.
Twenty seven thousand nurses licensed. How many of them live in Alaska?
Yeah,
Through the chair to Senator Dunbar, and thank you for that prompt. We have mailing addresses for nurses, but we do not know where they live, and so
Can you give me an approximate? Is it half? Is it a third? What percentage of those folks live out of state?
I don't know. May I
No.
Um
Uh
If you could get back
may I call
to the committee
Yeah.
In writing on that one,
that'd be most excellent.
Um yes,
thank you Mr.
Chair. My Deputy Director has amazing recall, so I thought she might be a lifeline.
Thank you.
Um well, to the other point,
let me see let me see if I can rephrase the question.
27,000 active licenses in Alaska.
Are you saying you you can't track who is and is not working in the state? So someone could have a license and not be working, but you you wouldn't be able to track that?
Through the Chair to Senator Dunbar, that's correct.
We don't keep track of where nurses work or if they're working. We don't do that for any of our professions,
with the exception of realtors where we need to know which broker they work for.
And so would the Department of Labor have that? Is there, do you know, does any other, you know, part of the state have that kind of data?
Through the church of Senator Dunbar, we were looking for some information about that and did not find it on Department of Labor's website,
which I certainly don't want to speak for them and couldn't say that it's not there and we just didn't manage to find the right page to click on.
Follow up.
Mr.
Chair. So
Chair.
Senator Dunbar.
have you had a chance to you know I think we've all met with a number of nurses. There's a lot of nurses that come to this building. There's twenty seven thousand of them, although I think um
Significantly fewer that live in Alaska,
but a lot of them come to our offices and talk to us about a variety of issues.
And one of the things that's been expressed to me is there are many thousands of licensed nurses that live in Alaska that are licensed to practice here that don't because they feel that the whether it's the nurses to patient ratio or the pay and benefits or the safety.
or other things the working conditions have deteriorated to the point where they've just left the profession so in other words there the nurses are here but we have a shortage because they don't want to work in this profession anymore which I can really identify with as an attorney that doesn't work in corporate law
But do you have have you ever spoken with nurses that indicate that's the case?
Has the Department of Health, I guess this is not a department of health, but you know you said this is your the top top priority for the department. Have there been efforts to get those nurses to return to active practice in the profession?
Through the chair to Senator Dunbar,
working conditions are obvious.
usually an issue between an employee and their employer.
Additionally,
not, we would be pretty far out of our lane in that part looking at that.
I will say I feel like frequently the discussion gets very focused on hospital nurses,
and it is worth remembering that, you know, 47% of nurses, and this is national data,
but 47% of nurses work in other locations, you know, so there are nurses who work in long-term care facilities,
assisted living facilities at our deep.
our D_O_C_ facilities who are school nurses um who work at the public health facilities, pioneer homes, et cetera. Um so it is helpful to sometimes remember that uh the scope of locations where nurses work um is more expansive than just hospitals. And I don't mean to suggest you were not thinking of that, but it's always worth remembering.
Follow up, Mr.
So the nursing shortage that you've referred to, where is it most acute
Chair.
in those categories you just described?
Through the chair to Senator Dunbar,
that's probably a question that would be better asked maybe to the Hospital and Health Care Association,
and we can certainly reach out to them.
You know, I can say some of the figures that we cited in our presentation,
it is taking, you know, just under five months to hire an RN for a hospital, and it is taking in excess of six months to hire people for long-term care facilities. So I think that is certainly.
Definitely somewhere where we're seeing, you know, taking a very long time to recruit folks,
but I don't try to hire nurses,
so I'm probably not best suited to answer that question.
Okay, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Chair.
That's all for now.
Senator Junt.
Yeah,
thank you to the chair.
So earlier it was mentioned we graduate our universities about 350 nurses a year.
I'm just thinking about all the kids that I coach. There's quite a few that...
go to college out of state and and I know one that just came home with an RN degree very talented young lady she actually applied at a lot of different places in Anchorage in the valley there was a ton of work in remote Alaska she considered going remote but it took quite a while to even get on in one of the local hospitals because they're all staffed up is this always is there a bigger
I guess, how many nurses did, two questions.
One,
how many did we license, say, last year in total,
or 350 that graduated here, I assume, most of them, and then how many maybe came back from universities out of state, like the kid I'm thinking about,
and then also, do you have any sort of numbers based on staffing shortages compared to like local or, you know.
Maine cities in Alaska compared to rural.
A two-part question,
Yeah.
sorry about that.
Yeah,
through the chair to Senator Yount.
Again,
that's not information that we have about we don't require people to tell us. There are different pathways to licensure for someone who recently graduated or has never been licensed somewhere else versus somebody who holds a license elsewhere.
So that's information we could provide,
but whether someone is a recent graduate.
or is interested in coming back to Alaska,
it's not information we need nor we're entitled to,
so it's not data that we have.
The figures cited the number of days to get people hired are averages for all of the hospitals in the state who are part of AHA.
I don't know off the top of my head if their report breaks it down further sort of into rural and urban hospitals,
but quite honestly it's great to hear that at the moment hospitals in South Central are finding as many nurses as they need.
And again, do you know approximately how many licenses or nurses we licensed in total last year for the whole state?
That way I could just kind of try to figure out the difference between the three fifty and and maybe
Yeah, through the chair to Senator Yount. I'm not sure I'm grasping the essence of your question. So we had just over 26,000 licensed RNs, just under 1,000 licensed LPNs, and then about 1,600 APRNs, the advanced practice registered nurses,
and 2,828 certified nurse assistants in fiscal year 25.
But I feel like maybe that's not actually what you were trying to ask.
I'll rephrase it. So how many did we license in Alaska for the first time in Alaska last year out of those 27, 28, possibly 30,000?
Give me
First
more.
time to Alaska licenses.
That could be graduates from our university programs. It could be incoming graduates that are coming back that, you know, left for college.
It could be even an experienced nurse that lived in Arizona for 10 years and moved here. Just how many did we license total last year in Alaska?
License
Yeah,
for the first time.
Through the chair to Senator Yount,
about 3,500 RNs and, yeah,
3,500.
Yeah.
That was a lot more than I thought, but okay.
I thought, but okay.
Nursing is our biggest program.
We have 112,000 professional licenses and 32,000 of those are nurses.
Okay, just so I make sure I got this, 3,500 approximately were first time licensees in Alaska in the last 12 months, give or take.
Through the chair to Senator Young, that is correct.
Thank you.
Anything further for Director Rob?
Seeing, hearing none, we will move now to invited testifiers.
First up is Danette Schloder,
Chair of the Alaska Board of Nursing.
Ms.
Schloder, please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
Good afternoon Chair Bjorkman and members of the Senate Labor and Commerce Committee. Thank you for the opportunity today to testify today and hearing the nurse license compact.
And I apologize,
I don't have much of a voice.
My name is Jeanette Schlater. I'm a second-generation Alaskan, University of Alaska School of Nursing graduate.
I hold five healthcare degrees, including a doctorate in nursing practice.
With over 31 years of obstetrical nursing,
I currently serve as a perinatal clinical specialist at Providence Alaska Children's Hospital,
focusing on improving health outcomes for women and newborns.
I currently serve as the chair of the Alaska Board of Nursing and have for the last seven years.
I'm here to express the board's strong and unanimous support for the Alaska adoption of the nursing compact or MLC,
a position we've held consistently since 2019.
First and foremost, as Director Rob mentioned,
Alaska Nurses overwhelmingly support joining the NLC.
The board surveyed all actively licensed RN and LPNs in 2023 statewide.
With more than 4,500 nurses responded,
92% of the respondents said they wanted Alaska to join the compact.
This high level of support is consistent across all groups,
nurses who live here and nurses who practice in multiple states,
union and non-union nurses alike.
It's been consistent across time too.
We did the same survey in 2019 and got the same results as the most recent version.
Our nurses are telling us loud and clear that they want this policy changed.
Our board is strongly supportive of the NLC for many reasons, including the critical nursing shortage our state is experiencing,
which is worsening each year.
Hospitals report vacancy rates over 20% for RNs and even higher vacancy rates in long-term care.
AHA's 2025 health care workforce analysis report confirms that filling a single RN vacancy takes 118 to 167 days.
That's months during which Alaskans wait longer for care or go without it.
To make better for projections showing Alaska will have the largest nursing deficit in the country by 2030,
while other states will have a surplus of nurses.
We simply cannot meet our needs without removing unnecessary licensure barriers.
Our board and the division have worked really hard to improve the processing times to ensure the time it takes to get a license is not a barrier for nurse recruitment,
yet high vacancy rates and lengthy recruitment times remain for our hospitals and healthcare facilities.
We recognize that there's a nursing shortage nationally,
but we're one of the few toughest states to get to geographically.
And when and we're one of the few states that require nurses to submit extra paperwork and pay extra fees to be licensed here,
we are making it unnecessarily difficult for our health care providers to recruit nurses they need and we're losing new graduates to other states.
The NLC is not experimental or untested. It's the oldest and most well-founded professional licensing compact in the United States.
It's been in place for 25 years and 43 other jurisdictions have joined and not a single one has ever withdrawn.
From a licensing perspective,
which is within the board's purview,
the NLC has more stringent eligibility requirements than our current Alaska license.
Nurses with
felony convictions,
relevant misdemeanors, active discipline,
or participation in an alternative discipline program cannot hold a multi-state license.
National data shows that the nurse with multi-state license actually has lower discipline rates than single-state licensees.
Simply put,
the NLC strengthens, not weakens, patient protections.
We have so many regulations regarding the revenue impact for increased investigation,
but licensing fees in Alaska are set to match the cost of the operating program.
If fewer applications come in, fewer examiners are needed.
Other states have not seen a fee increase tied to the NLC and because multi-state licenses need such high standards,
states report minimal investigation costs related to those nurses.
Finally,
I want to declare Alaska retains full state sovereignty under the NLC.
Nurses practicing here,
regardless of their home state,
must follow Alaska laws and regulations that are set by the legislature and Alaska Board of Nursing.
The NLC does not give authority to any national organization,
including the National Council of State Boards of Nursing.
Every state, including Alaska,
has an equal voice in rulemaking.
Please trust me that the Alaska Board of Nursing would never support joining the NLC otherwise.
Additionally, from my perspective as a working registered nurse,
I strongly believe that Alaska needs to join the NLC to increase the number of qualified nursing faculty in Alaska.
My experience illustrates this need.
I have taught Alaska students enrolled in an accelerated baccalaureate.
The Black Awareness Program page of Montana,
where nurses complete their didactic coursework online and fulfill their clinical rotations in Alaska.
To serve as a nursing faculty member for these programs,
I am required to hold licenses in multiple states, including Washington,
Montana,
and Alaska.
This situation is far from unique. I've met many nurses whose Alaska-based roles require licensure in several states.
The process of securing and maintaining multiple licenses is both costly and time-consuming.
By joining the NLC and allowing nurses to obtain a multi-state license,
Alaska would significantly reduce licensing costs and administrative burden for nurses who practice across state lines.
This change would not only support current nurses, but faculty and make Alaska a more attractive destination for nursing professionals,
ultimately benefiting our healthcare workforce and patient care statewide.
In closing,
joining the Nursing Compact is one of the most powerful tools available to address Alaska's workforce crisis,
improving access to care,
lowering healthcare costs.
supporting our hospitals and clinics and strengthening safety standards.
More importantly,
it is what Alaska nurses want and what Alaska patients need.
On behalf of the Alaska Board of Nursing, I respectfully urge you to pass this legislation.
Thank you for your time and consideration,
and I'm happy to answer any questions.
Thank you very much, Ms.
Schlater.
Any questions from committee members?
Senator Dunbar.
Thank you, Mr.
Chair.
Thank you, Ms.
Slater, for being here.
Other folks have suggested that another way to improve our recruitment and retention and to improve safety as well is to have safe staffing ratios where you couldn't have more than a certain number of patients assigned to certain nurses.
Is that something that the Board of Nurses would also support or has?
Investigated
Through the chair,
Through the chair, Senator Dunbar,
the Alaska Board of Nursing has not heard that issue during our meetings and currently we don't have any regulations that address that issue.
Follow up, Mr.
Chair.
Yep, but also we will be taking up that issue at a later time.
Talk about the bill.
That'd be good.
Yeah,
I think they're interrelated or they're going to be.
So, yeah,
I think that I guess I would just say, Ms.
Schlater, that I hope the Board of Nursing does take that up and discusses it.
I think it's going to become a more active discussion. We've seen it become a more active discussion in other states.
Thank you, Mr.
Chair.
Thank you again for being here, Ms. Schlater.
Thank you. A reminder to all people testifying as well,
sometimes the audio can get pretty garbled, so if you could please make sure that you're not on speakerphone and you just pick up the handset best you can, that'll improve the audio quality quite a bit.
Up next is Ms. Teresa Lyons.
Trees Lions,
are you available?
Okay,
up next is Katie Capozzi.
Chair Bierkman and members of the Senate Labor and Commerce Committee,
thank you for the opportunity to testify today. For the record,
my name is Katie Capozzi and I proudly serve as the President and CEO of the Alaska Chamber.
I testify today in support of Senate Bill 124.
The Alaska Chamber is the state's largest statewide business advocacy organization.
Our mission is to promote a healthy business environment in Alaska.
The chamber has more than 700 members and represents businesses of all sizes and industries from across the state, representing 58,000 Alaskan workers and $4.6 billion in annual wages. The chamber has a formal policy position to support joining the multi-state nurse licensure compact,
commonly referred to as the NLC.
Our membership voted on and adopted this position in 2022.
The business community recognized then,
as we do now,
that to have a healthy economy,
we need a healthy workforce.
And a key component of having a healthy workforce means we need health care professionals here in Alaska to take care of Alaskans.
Alaska's projected to have the highest nurse vacancies in the United States by 2030,
as you heard earlier,
with over 5,000 openings.
The health care system in Alaska is struggling to keep up with demand for nurses,
which requires filling over 1,100 positions annually.
We simply don't have enough nurses coming online each year to even come close to meeting the demand.
For example, in 2024,
The University of Alaska system graduated 222 nurses.
The NLC will increase the pool of qualified candidates to fill critical vacancies at a time when we need it most.
The NLC is a straightforward and common sense tool that we should add to our toolbox for workforce recruitment.
And this isn't just the opinion of the Alaska Chamber.
We asked Alaskans in our 2024 annual public opinion survey if they would support Alaska joining the NLC.
An astounding 86% responded with support. And notably...
Those who identified as working in the healthcare sector responded with 84% support.
And I have a copy of that slide and that data that I'm happy to offer for the record.
As you know, there are currently 41 states and two territories that participate in the compact,
and it's the chamber's hope that Alaska becomes the 42nd state.
Thank you for the opportunity to testify today.
Thank you very much, Ms.
Capozzi. Are there any questions for committee members?
Up next is Ms.
Shannon Davenport.
Ms. Davenport, please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
Thank you, Mr.
Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the committee.
Can you hear me okay?
Yes, ma'am.
Okay.
So my name is Shannon Davenport and I am from Anchorage, Alaska.
So.
I am here today as the president of the Alaska Nurses Association,
representing 1,742 union strong nurses,
along with other members of nursing associations.
I'm currently working as a mental health nurse at Providence Alaska Medical Center.
Thank you for the opportunity to speak today with you regarding the Nurse Licensure Compact and why we stand in strong opposition to Senate Bill 124.
I have worked in health care for more than 20 years.
I've been caring for Alaskans from all walks of life.
I've been with patients in their moments of greatest joy and deepest sorrow.
Through it all, I have never regretted my decision to become a nurse until now.
The Nurse Licensure Compact is not the solution to Alaska's health care crisis.
It is a distraction from the real problems facing our system.
Unsafe working conditions,
dangerously high patient-to-nurse ratios,
chronic understaffing, and burnout that too often leads to broken spirits and moral injury among nurses.
These conditions do not just harm nurses.
They jeopardize patient safety by increasing the risk of falls,
infections,
workplace violence,
and even higher mortality rates.
We're told there's a nursing shortage,
but I would argue that the nurses are still here.
Many have been driven.
away from the bedside,
not because they stopped caring,
but because the system made it impossible to provide the care patients deserve.
Labeling this as burnout oversimplifies the pain we experience.
What we face is moral injury,
the emotional and ethical toll of being unable to meet our professional and moral obligations in an unsafe system.
The nurse licensure compact would not fix these issues.
Instead, it would undermine state oversight,
divert licensing fees out of Alaska,
and make it harder to ensure that nurses practicing here meet the high standards Alaskans have come to expect.
We risk losing track of who is providing care,
what disciplinary actions they may have faced elsewhere,
and whether their training aligns with our state's expectations for a safe and competent practice.
I ask you to think of your own families,
your neighbors and your communities when you consider this bill.
What is a human life worth?
As a nurse, I'm more than a number on a spreadsheet.
I'm an advocate for my patients,
their families and the health of our communities.
I will be there in their darkest moments,
holding your hand,
fighting for your safety and celebrating each small victory until you return home to your loved ones.
Just as I hope to return home to mine.
I thank you, Mr.
Chair and members of the committee for your time and for listening to my testimony today.
Thank you very much, Ms.
Davenport. Are there any questions from committee members seeing and hearing?
Seeing and hearing none, we'll go next to Ms.
None.
We'll go next to Ms. Vicki Berg.
Ms.
Berg,
please state your name and affiliation and begin your presentation.
Thank you.
My name is Vicki Bird.
I am a registered nurse and I am the CEO of the Montana Nurses Association.
Cherry Walkman and members of the Senate Labor and Commerce Committee,
thank you for this opportunity to speak.
I am here on behalf of the Montana Nurses Association to share our state's experience with the nurse licensure compact and its unintended consequences, many of which are highly relevant to Alaska.
Like Alaska,
Montana is a rural state with significant workforce challenges.
From our experience,
the NLC does not ensure adequate oversight of who is practicing within the state.
Neither the compact nor participating states consistently track nurses working under compact licenses. As a result, we have seen nurses working in Montana.
for extended periods of time, sometimes hundreds and even thousands of days without obtaining their new required home state Montana license.
This reflects a serious gap in accountability and enforcement.
In a state like Alaska where geography already makes oversight more difficult,
this concern may be even more significant.
There are also financial impacts.
pandemic.
Montana loses licensure revenue that supports our Board of Nursing, while the cost of investigations and discipline still falls on Montana nurses through their licensing fees.
In our state,
a license costs just $100 every two years, a minimal cost to ensure accountability and public protection. At the same time, large travel nurse and telehealth agencies
These stand to benefit the most.
The compact allows them to deploy nurses across multiple states under a single license,
increasing corporate profits while states lose oversight and revenue.
This primarily serves a small subset of the nursing workforce rather than supporting the majority of nurses who provide direct patient care in acute care,
hospital,
and clinic settings.
Most importantly, the NLC does not solve staffing shortages.
It does not create a pool of new nurses or improve retention.
For rural states like Montana and Alaska,
the real solution is investing in the nurses who live and work in your communities through competitive wages,
strong support systems,
and enforceable safe staffing guidelines and recommendations.
Because recruiting,
then retaining those nurses is what truly strengthens access to care and community health.
Finally, there is widespread misunderstanding surrounding the Compact.
Nurses cannot simply hold one license and practice anywhere indefinitely. When they move or relocate, they must by law obtain a new home state license.
This confusion contributes to ongoing compliance issues. In closing,
Montana's experience shows that the NLC...
reduces oversight,
shifts costs onto in-state nurses,
and does not solve the workforce shortages.
We have been a part of the compact since 2015.
And with that said, if the NLC truly fixed staffing issues,
Montana would be one of the best staffed states in the country.
This is simply not the reality.
I urge you to carefully consider
whether these trade-offs align with Alaska's needs and deposit moving forward until these challenges are addressed.
Thank you, Mr.
Chair and members of the committee.
Thank you very much, Ms. Bird.
I would note,
as many of us are staring at a map where Montana is not highlighted as a compact state,
however,
quick Google search in your own words here show that you are,
so maybe we'll hear from the department as to why that is. Has there been some kind of change in status recently or vacillation in regards to Montana being a compact state?
I'm sorry,
Mr.
Chair,
members of the committee,
did you say Montana is not a compact state?
We're staring at a map here from our Department of Commerce,
Community,
and Economic Development folks that does not have Montana showed as a compact state.
We have been a compact state since 2015 and then in 2017 adopted the enhanced licensure compact.
So we in fact have.
Okay. Thank you for that clarification.
You bet.
All right.
All right, let's see.
Up next,
Mr.
Bob Severson,
Here, Bjorklund.
Dear New Yorkman members of the committee,
thank you for the opportunity to speak today.
My name is Bob Seibert and I'm the chair of the Alaska Commission on Aging and I'm here to express strong support for Alaska joining the Nursing Licensee Compact.
Alaska is facing one of the most severe nursing shortages in the country.
Hospitals, long-term care facilities,
tribal health organizations,
and rural clinics are struggling to fill critical positions.
In some communities, losing even one nurse can mean delayed care,
reduced services, or closure of essential programs.
The NLC is the fastest, most cost-effective tool to expand our workforce.
No other state faces the same combination of isolation,
weather barriers,
and limited local training and capacity.
The NLC would allow qualified nurses to begin work immediately.
We also saw during COVID how difficult it was to bring nurses quickly during an emergency,
you know, if you would solve that problem,
to give Alaska instant access to national pools of licensed vetted nurses.
Importantly, the Compact strengthens patient safety. It requires fingerprinting, background checks,
and real-time sharing of disciplinary actions across these and other states.
Today, Alaska only sees those actions after a nurse applies.
Under NLC,
they would see them immediately.
43 states have already joined the compact.
Remaining outside the NLC puts Alaska at a competitive disadvantage.
Nurses increasingly choose compact states because they offer mobility and faster employment.
We must remove barriers, not create them.
For rural Alaska and tribal health systems,
this is not a convenience,
it's a lifeline.
Joining the nursing license no contact is a practical, physical responsible step that would improve access to care,
strengthen emergency readiness,
and I'll be sure every Alaskan, especially seniors, receive timely high quality health care. Our senior population is.
22% of the state's total population.
The Alaska 60-plus population increased by 77% from 90,000 to 160,000 from 2010 to 2024.
The age 65 population more than doubled.
It went from 54,000 to 107,000.
The 85-plus population by 2050 is expected to increase by 270%.
Brazil will have Alzheimer's and related dementia.
So our problem is growing in regards to health care.
We have a high population of seniors in our state of Alaska, and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.
So I would respectfully urge the legislature to pass this bill and be responsible to help our communities and our seniors to receive the care they need.
Thank you.
Thank you very much, Mr.
Severson.
Up next, we have Teresa Lyons. Ms. Lyons, please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
Thank you, Senator Brotman and members of the Senate Labor and Commerce Committee for providing this opportunity.
I'm Teresa Lyons. I'm the president of the advanced practice registered nurse alliance,
also known as the APRN alliance.
The alliance represents about 15% of the registered nurses in the state of Alaska.
The advanced practice nurses are registered nurses first.
On behalf of the APRN alliance,
I offer our support for SB 124 as proposed.
The nursing compact agreements have been implemented across the United States since the year 2000.
It has improved nurses'
abilities to be mobile and allow for reduced bureaucracy to be employed quicker.
The role of our board is to provide the public an opportunity for accountability for safe practice,
putting systems in place that offer a foundation of basic safety and competency to serve the people of the state of Alaska,
addressing our health and well-being.
While Alaska seems to be a little best, have a little best number of licensed RN,
we still have a deficit every year.
Our local graduation rates, as you have heard,
are far less than the demand,
and simple math supports the need for a mobile workforce while reflecting processes and systems for ensuring basic safety and competency to practice in the nursing profession.
There's also the matter of cost and maintenance of individual state licensure.
I myself juggled the demand for four state licensures over the years.
Others have shared their experiences of participating in nursing compacts prior to coming to Alaska and have found them to be very helpful for being able to move more easily into areas of need for their services.
The APRN Alliance is supportive of SB 124.
Thank you for your time and your consideration of this legislation.
Thank you very much.
We'll go now to Mr.
Jared Kozen.
Mr.
Kozen, please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
This concerns a request.
Thank you, Mr.
Chair.
For the record,
my name is Jared Cosen,
and I'm the president and CEO of the Alaska Hospital and Healthcare Association.
I'll be brief,
but I want to be clear our association strongly supports Senate Bill 124.
We've considered this issue for years, and I often find it helpful to consider two questions.
First,
how do other states and jurisdictions license nurses?
While 43 of them use the Nurse Licensure Compact. And since the topic has come up, I would point out that only five states have fixed staffing ratios.
Second, is Alaska's licensing process faster,
safer,
and more efficient than everywhere else?
The answer is no.
Our process is generally slower.
It's no safer.
And it requires more time and effort from our state employees that can be dedicated elsewhere.
No one is asserting that this is the silver bullet that will fix everything with workforce shortages.
Senate Bill 124 is a licensing bill.
And like the other licensing compact bill being considered by the legislature,
Joining the Nurse Licensure Compact will not lead to an exodus of people.
Nurses can already come and go today.
It will in no way infringe on Alaska's sovereignty.
The Board of Nursing will continue to have exclusive control over the standard of practice.
And this will in no way undermine local nurses or wages.
We already rely on out-of-state nurses because our schools in Alaska graduate less than a third of what we need industry-wide.
The Board of Nursing survey and polling do not lie.
They've been repeatedly inducted and over 90% are responding to support reciprocity.
And I just wish we could hear from the vast majority out there who unfortunately do not have the luxury to participate in the public process.
We urge the committee to pass this licensing bill.
Thank you.
Thank you very much, Mr.
Kozin.
Our last invited testifier today will be Dr.
Anne Zink.
Dr.
Zink, please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
Yes, thank you so much for the record.
Yes.
My name is Dr. Ann Zink.
I am a practicing emergency physician out in Mattoon, the former chief medical officer for the state,
and I'm testifying on behalf of myself in strong support of SB 124.
So thank you to Chair Bjorkman and the members of the community for not only allowing me to offer testimony,
but most importantly in what you do for the state of Alaska.
As a doctor,
sometimes I feel like T-Rex. I have a big voice and small hands and I can order treatments and make diagnosis and direct resuscitation.
but every day in every patient encounter it's the nurses who deliver the hands-on care that actually saves lives they are the hands the heart the beating pulse of our health care system and that's exactly why this bill matters nurses are holding that patient's hand during the worst moments of a life they catch the subtle changes that prevent a code they advocate for their patients manage complex medication educate families and as you've heard carry tremendous emotional burden
for the work that they do.
I have spent over two decades working alongside nurses in the emergency department and I can tell you without hesitation we cannot deliver quality high health care without them,
without their empowerment and the challenge that they mentioned and you've heard from the nursing union are real.
But Alaska has a workforce shortage.
I won't summarize the data you've already heard today but the shortage is real and it has patient impact.
both in how we train them,
but we need to think about how we train nurses,
how we mentor and support them throughout their career,
and also how they're engaged and empowered throughout their career to really be the best version of themselves and to meet that mission of serving patients.
Without them,
emergency department waits are longer,
clinics can't stay open,
and patients suffer.
The nurse compacting license is a tool to help this.
As Jared Cobson just mentioned,
it is not the full answer and cannot be sold as that, but is a step.
And I would also echo what was also shared by the nursing board.
It is what I repeatedly hear directly from nurses on a regular basis is this is what they want and it's also what patients need.
Every nurse practicing in Alaska would still be required to follow Alaska's nursing laws and the Board of Nursing still refrains their authority as we've already talked about.
This is not an anti-nursing bill. It is a pro-nursing bill. It's a pro-patient bill and it's a pro-Alaska bill.
We need to really think hard and long about the challenges,
the staffing challenges,
the loads on their shoulders,
workplace violence,
what's happening in healthcare settings,
burnout that's driving experienced nurses to other professions.
But we need to not be defending inefficiencies and pretending it was quality.
The compact preserves the standards and it lets nurses spend their time caring for patients rather than resubmitting paperwork that they've already completed and in general and generally supportive of all of the compacts that have been moving through.
I also want to just recognize,
as you guys have heard previously,
there's a big next direct financial reason to act now,
given the $272 million that was awarded via the Rural Health Transformation and the state is at risk for losing some of that money without passing this.
These dollars should be going directly to support the hearts and hands of our healthcare system.
They should be going to the way that the nurses are and you'll see that the Department of Health has called out workforce specifically to address workforce shortages not lost in bureaucratic inaction and not passing the bill.
So I look forward to partnering with you to do real work to address the challenges and the moral injuries you've heard about, address the faces that the challenges nurses face,
but also making sure that we're decreasing bureaucracy and allowing every dollar that we can.
can to invest in Alaska and the systems that we have to better serve patients instead of asking our nurses,
our doctors, and our patients to serve systems.
And that's why I strongly support SB 124 and urge the committee to move forward.
Thanks for your time and all the work that you're doing.
Thank you very much, Dr.
Zink.
That concludes our slate of invited testifiers.
We have quite a few people under public testimony,
which we will begin right after we take about a minute and a half break so we can all stretch our legs maybe.
We're going to take a brief at ease. We'll be right back.
SA.
We're back on the record, it is 2:59 p.m. here in Senate labor and commerce. We are about to open public testimony. Public testimony will be limited to two minutes per person
Sure.
and we will alternate between in the room and online, but I think we only have just a limited amount of people in the room, and we will start there.
I would like to remind everyone to please confine your comments to the nature of the bill, which is a nurse licensure compact.
Please, at the two minute mark.
I will let you know that your time has expired.
You'll have about 10 seconds to wrap up. If you don't wrap up within that 10 seconds, we will move on to the next testifier.
So that's the deal.
So I will now open public testimony on Senate Bill 124.
First up in the room is Ms.
Laura Cologne.
Please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
For the record, my name is Laura Coulombe. I reside in Palmer,
Alaska,
and I am representing myself.
I am a current NICU nurse at Providence Alaska Medical Center,
and I am here in favor of the Nursing Licensure Compact Act.
I only see positive implications for the patient care for statewide for this act.
Recruiting in Anchorage and in my unit in particular is incredibly challenging.
I have lived through multiple instances of not having enough nurses to care for the tiny babies that I love.
In particular,
this also has a huge impact for our rural areas.
As a NICU nurse,
we see all babies from all areas of the state. We bring babies from Juneau.
We bring babies from Bethel all over the state.
With that, I need to know that the nurses that are caring for babies out in those rural areas,
first of all, they have enough staff and they have experienced nurses.
As soon as a baby is born,
their first breath,
the care that they're provided really impacts their long-term outcomes, especially a baby who is 22,
25 weeks premature.
So beyond that and beyond the NICU,
I see a lot of areas where we don't have enough nurses in mental health and assisted living facilities.
It's not just about the hospital itself. It's about all of our rural communities and it's about all avenues of nursing.
It's not just our hospital systems that are suffering. So in closing.
Nursing and patient care is suffering around the state,
and I would really encourage you to consider passing this bill of 124.
Thank you so much for your time.
Thank you very much, Ms.
Colomb.
Senator
you has
a question for you,
ma'am.
You may ask questions.
We have approximately fifty invited testifiers or public testifiers left.
Oh goodness.
All right, I'll make it quick.
Okay.
Through the chair, thank you very much. I, yeah, just you being an employee or a nurse at Providence, I
Sure.
just wanted to ask you, since we had a nurse in the room that works there, about if you could please
speak briefly to nurse-to-patient ratios.
Sure.
I agree that nurse-to-patient ratios are suffering.
I don't think that this bill is the answer to that.
I think that our unions and Providence itself needs to address the workplace conditions that we're being faced with.
I think bringing in more nurses,
sure,
is going to help, but the ratios are not something that can be legislated.
Thank you. And briefly, as a father to two twin daughters who spent 40 days in your guys'
NICU, thank you.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Nope, that's all.
And just a word, we had another bill scheduled today,
SGR 28.
My deepest apologies for folks that might be online for that bill,
as we will not get to that bill today,
but we will take it up at the soonest possible time.
So Monday we'll take it up. So thank you for being here.
We will go online now to Mary Martinek.
Please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony. You have two minutes.
Hello, my name is Mary Martinek.
I have no official affiliation. I'm calling in just as myself.
I'm a registered nurse.
I'm a lifelong Alaskan. I'm a UAA nursing program graduate.
I have entirely worked.
In rural Alaska and with underserved populations,
I've never worked in a hospital.
I believe Senate Bill 124 should be passed so Alaska can become a nurse licensed compact state.
The benefits are numerous and our nursing shortage needs addressing.
However,
I do have cautious concerns that more out-of-state nurses could drive down wages and working conditions.
What incentives would employers have to improve working conditions if the nurse applicant pool grows?
I ask that passing Senate Bill 124 is not considered the end and nurse working conditions, assaults, and wages are considered going forward by the legislature.
Thank you.
Thank you very much for your testimony.
Go now to Paul Warda.
Mr.
Warda, please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
Good afternoon,
Chair Bjorkman, members of the committee.
My name is Paul Warta.
I will be speaking opposition to Senate Bill 124, and I thank you for the opportunity to testify.
I also emailed my testimony to the committee via the reference as well.
I'm a nurse at Providence Alaska Medical Center as well as a member of Alaska's Admission Association,
but I'm representing myself.
I work on the Progressive Care Unit,
which recently experienced an exodus of about 20% of our bedside nurses in a three-month period following staffing changes.
This is a striking parallel to our whole state.
The issue of staffing on our floor is not the number of licensed nurses available,
it is the working conditions that we experience.
Alaska has more than enough nurses licensed in our state to staff our health care facilities.
I would like to share the federal workforce data that supports this.
As of this week, according to HRSA,
National Center for Healthcare Workforce Analysis,
Alaska's registered nurse staffing adequacy is currently 146%. It is projected to remain above 100% for the next decade.
This places Alaska in the top three states with the highest adequacy of registered nurses in the nation, both now and in 2038.
This data is far more current than that found on the Alaska Board of Best Nursing website.
As their additive feed data is obtained from an error written report from Alaska Health Care Hospital Association,
citing the HRSA data from the peak of the COVID pandemic.
In summary,
we do not have a shortage of licensed nurses.
We have a shortage of sustainable working conditions and nurses are unwilling to work bedside with the current conditions.
Policies and legislations aimed at improving public health should be effective and not be geared at changing licensure requirements.
especially when the data shows that the current system works better for Alaska and asking the system that incentivizes short-term work as well
exacerbate current issues.
I appreciate your attention and consideration of the information shared and would welcome any questions from the committee.
Thank you for your timely testimony,
Mr.
Warda.
We'll go now to Mr.
or I'm sorry,
Jenny Leonelli.
Ms.
Leonelli,
if you could please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony. You have two minutes.
Yes, Chair Bielsman and members of the committee,
thank you for your time today.
My name is Jenny Leonelli and I am calling in opposition to Senate Bill 124.
Until recently,
I worked as a registered nurse at Fairbanks Memorial Hospital for over 21 years in emergency and PACI medicine.
I no longer work at FMH due to concerns about patient and safety,
employee safety, along with an environment that discourages reporting safety issues.
In addition to my personal experience,
I would like to share research on why nurses stay and why they leave the bedside.
The NLC is often discussed as a potential tool to help address nursing shortages and reduce onboarding delays.
At the same time, available data shows that working conditions play a significant role in nurses'
decision to leave the profession.
The 2024 National Nurses Working Workforce Survey,
which studied over 40,000 nurses, found that the most common reasons for leaving are understaffing, unsafe workloads,
and the moral injury of burnout.
These factors are closely related to lack of retention,
lack of support,
and the inability to maintain stable experienced care teams.
A cross-sectional study published this year surveyed over 4,000 nurses who had recently left hospital staff positions,
and the findings show that improving staffing is the most effective way to bring nurses back to the bedside.
This aligns with other studies passed over the last decade examining tens of thousands of nurses which consistently find that nurses leave when conditions become unsafe and they return when staffing and safety improve.
While licensed reportability may support workforce mobility,
it does not directly address staffing levels,
burnout,
or workplace safety conditions.
It may help redistribute the existing workforce,
but it does not expand it,
particularly when nurses continue to leave for the reasons already described.
If the goal is to strengthen the nursing workforce and support patient care at the bedside, evidence suggests that focusing on retention,
safe staffing,
and sustainable working conditions have the greatest impact.
Thank you for your time and your consideration,
and I welcome questions.
Thank you very much, Ms. Leonelli.
We'll go next to any questions?
We'll go next to Jory Nicholson.
Please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony of two minutes.
Jory Nicholson,
can you hear us?
Yes, I apologize.
Good afternoon, Chair Bjorkman,
Vice Chair Merrick, and members of the committee.
Thank you for your time.
My name is Jory Nicholson, and I'm a nurse employed at Peace Health in Ketchikan,
a graduate of UAA Nursing,
and I've maintained an Alaskan license for 13 years.
I'm in opposition to Senate Bill 124.
I'd like to raise a practical concern about the impact and the adoption of the NLC on state licensing fees.
The Alaskan Earth Association recently produced a report based on publicly available licensing data from the Alaska Board of Nursing,
and our report found that 45% of nurses licensed in Alaska have residents in the state,
and that leaves 54% of nurses licensed in the state with residents outside of the state.
Importantly, about 9,000 of these nurses with non-Alaska addresses live in compact states.
And this amounts to 47% of all the state's licensed nurses.
If Alaska joins the nurse licensing compact,
those 9,000 nurses would have the opportunity to no longer pay for Alaskan licenses through the Alaska Board of Nursing.
I'd like to ask the committee to consider what happens to the Board of Nursing revenue when almost half of the licensed nurses no longer need a license through the state of Alaska.
And I urge the committee to consider what happens to the licensing fees for the remaining nursing licensed in Alaska when the board's operating costs inevitably increase.
So it makes up the difference.
Most likely outcome is increased licensing fees for the remaining Alaska-based nurses.
It's critical for our state licensing agencies to be fully funded and the Board of Nursing uses these fees to verify who's working in our state.
They are upholding the standard of licensure for the safety of our community members.
Thank you for your consideration and allowing for me to speak today.
The community has received my testimony by email along with the link to the report I referenced.
Thank you very much, Ms. Nicholson, and thank you for that reminder about written testimony.
Anyone at any time can submit written testimony to the committee by emailing us at slac at akleg.gov. That's slac at akleg.gov.
Next up is Ms. Madison Eckert.
Please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
Yes, Chair B.
Oakman,
Vice Chair Merrick, and members of the committee,
my name is Madison Eckhart,
and I've been a bedside nurse in Alaska for seven years.
I'm also calling as the legislative chair for the Alaska Nurses Association.
I'm calling in opposition to Senate Bill 124.
The Alaska Nurses Association produced a report comparing compact and non-compact states and their nurse supply adequacy according to up-to-date federal labor data.
Adequacy is based on the supply versus demand of nurses in individual states as reported by the National Center for Health Workforce and Analysis Projection Dashboard.
Nine states remained and have not joined the compact.
Of those nine states,
five of them have reported nurse supply adequacy over 100% for 2026.
This includes Alaska.
Interestingly,
all 10 states with the lowest supply adequacy are members of the NLC.
The NLC has not made a meaningful impact on the supply of nurses anywhere in the country despite 26 years since its inception.
Alaska already has an overabundance of nurses licensed in the state.
What we do not have is an overabundance of nurses willing to work in facilities with unsafe staffing.
Nurses across Alaska are serving in health care facilities which operate with the minimum number of nurses for patient care.
We're managing ever increasing workloads,
then carrying the burden of deciding which patients are more deserving of our fractured time and attention.
Meanwhile hospitals maintain little accountability for their staffing reductions and subsequent degradation in quality patient care.
License reportability is not a solution to this problem.
If we want better outcomes for patients we must focus on the conditions inside our hospital.
hostile,
not policies that have already failed to deliver elsewhere.
I thank the committee for your time today.
I've submitted my testimony to the committee by email along with the reference reports.
Thank you very much, Ms.
Eckert.
Any questions?
Seeing and hearing none,
we'll go now to Ms. Jennifer Young.
Please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony of two minutes.
Hi, my name is Jennifer Young.
Can you guys hear me?
Yes, ma'am.
Okay,
I am a registered nurse and a lifelong Alaskan. I'd like to offer a perspective grounded on both patient care and professional standards.
Alaska's Board of Nursing sets the requirements that govern my license and my continuing education and competency and disciplinary standards to ensure safe staffing.
Safe patient care, sorry,
which are not equivalent to other states.
Under the nurse compact,
the authority to practice in Alaska would be based on the nurse's state of primary residency.
So Alaska,
as an example, Alaska requires 30 hours of continuing education for license renewal,
while many compact states require far fewer, and some, like Montana,
do not require any continuing education.
The concern is that patients in Alaska would be cared for by nurses who are not held to Alaska standards.
The compact also creates a complex regulatory structure. So Alaska,
LASCA would be responsible for investigating and disciplining nursing license here,
even when the incidents occur in other states,
which add multiple layers of bureaucracy,
oversight,
administrative burden,
and potentially delayed accountability.
In Alaska,
nurses frequently practice in remote settings,
managing extended transport delays,
and making independent clinical decisions.
Our standards reflect that level of autonomy and responsibility.
Patients often worry about fragmented care when they are treated by unfamiliar and temporary nurses.
In our rural communities,
continuity matters because trust and communication and outcomes depend on it.
The compact may improve mobility,
but it does not address retention or workforce stability.
It may instead expand reliance on short-term staffing models,
giving patients more fragmented care than they already are experiencing with our increased level of travel nurses.
Ms.
Ms. Young,
your time has expired.
Please conclude your testimony.
Okay,
Okay.
thank you guys for your time.
Thank you very much, Ms.
Young.
Senator Dunbar has a question.
Not a question, Mr.
Chair.
I just say I have to go to another committee,
so I apologize to the folks that are going to be testifying. I have a staffer here and I'll listen to testimony later.
Thank you.
Thank you, Senator Dunbar.
We'll go next to Savannah Culbertson.
Please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
My name is Savannah Culbertson. I am a nurse down at Central Peninsula.
hospital and I am one of the 92% of Alaskan nurses and the 85% of Alaskan Union nurses that support joining the compact.
Further,
I am also the wife of a disabled veteran and I support Alaskan military families and I would also like to state that I appreciate how this bill will eliminate
The redundancies in the work for the board,
this thing allows the board to focus on the important work of strengthening the nursing profession and by extension the health of all Alaskans.
Does that conclude your testimony,
ma'am?
Am?
That does.
That does.
Thank you.
Thank you very much. We appreciate your brevity.
We'll go next to Ms.
Amy Smith.
Please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
My name is Amy Smith.
I'm a nurse educator at Central Peninsula Hospital.
I'm calling in support of SB 124.
And though there are many reasons,
I will emphasize just one from personal experience.
I moved to Alaska in 2023.
I started working on my Alaskan nursing license months before my move,
yet I still had to wait to receive my license after arriving and it's barriers like this that make it hard for nurses to relocate and directly impact Alaska's healthcare staffing capacity.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you very much, Ms.
Smith.
I'm interested,
what do you feel took so long in getting your Alaska nurse license?
I do not know exactly. I do know that I had research and looked into it and was forewarned that it could take a significant amount of time and that's why I did start significantly prior to my move.
I do know also that the hiring facility encouraged me to proceed and that on my behalf they would be able to gently nudge and expedite the process which did end up occurring.
And how long do you think it took total to complete?
probably roughly four months
Okay.
Okay.
with the expedition from the facility. Thank
you, ma'am.
Am.
Up
Thank you.
Up next is Cheryl Helkin.
Hello, my name is Cheryl Hulk and I'm an independent nurse in Delta Junction.
I'm speaking on behalf of rural nurses and in strong support of House Bill 124, Senate Bill 124. I have been in support since the very beginning of the compacture talks and urge each of the legislatures to support this important bill.
Thank you.
Thank you, ma'am.
Up next is William Edgar.
Please state your name and affiliation
Good
for the record.
afternoon everyone.
My name is William Edgar.
I also work with Amy Smith and Savannah.
I am also in support of the bill.
I also came up here about three years ago from a compact state.
Hearing everyone talk about the
hearing
nurse and staff ratio that is a problem in every state.
I don't think it's a problem with the nursing shortage up here.
The having a compact just makes it easier for nurses to get in to practice.
Just like Amy had stated it took me five months just to get my Alaskan license.
Very well. Thank you for your testimony, sir.
We appreciate your
Thank you.
participation.
We'll go next to Arnold Duvernay.
Mr.
Duvernay, can you hear us?
Yes, sorry.
My phone was having an issue.
Yes,
thank you for having me, Chair and Senate Labor and Commerce Committee.
My name is Arnold Duvernay. I'm a rural RN case manager here in Haines, Alaska.
I work for Southeast Regional Health Consortium. I've been here for just over a year. I came up from Florida,
which is a compact state.
I'm actually technically on a travel assignment right now, so I do understand,
but I did proceed to change my residency over to Alaska and apply for my.
licensed I was fortunate to have it approved in less than two weeks so I can say the time has gone significantly better in my personal experience with that said I am in support of SB 124 for Alaska's entry into the multi-state nurse licensure account pact I think number one as I've discussed it will help with staffing in all areas of health care in the state of Alaska from rural to big cities hospitals urgent cares and clinics across the state I personally experienced several several things and I've
I have personal experience from pediatric home health care through correctional nursing and family practice urgent care and occupational medicine.
So as someone coming from another state, I'd bring a lot to the table and I'm able to use my skills here. With that said, my facility is and was responsible for vetting, you know, what I can do and verifying my ability to take care of the patients.
It has been a very rewarding career and I appreciate it.
I'm also in support of the Alaska Families support,
military families.
because we have a current employee who just graduated OTS and got deployed so her being deployed is great for the state or for the government but at the same time it creates another staff strain on the nurses that are here so we had a daytime nurse who's going to cover the night shift that she was going to come back and work so having the ability for nurses to come in and out would help eliminate those staffing issues so again I am in support of SB 124 and thank you for having me
Thank you very much, Mr.
Duvernay.
Up next,
Ms. Sarah Collins.
Ms. Collins,
please state your name and affiliation for the record.
You have two minutes.
To chair,
thank you for the opportunity to speak today.
My name is Sarah Collins and I serve as the chief nursing officer at Mount Edgecombe Medical Center in Sitka, part of the Southeast Alaska Regional Health Consortium.
I'm here to express my strong support for SB 124.
Alaska's health care system faces persistent and well-documented nursing workforce shortages, particularly in our rural and remote communities.
The NLC offers a practical, proven solution by allowing nurses to practice across participating states under a single multi-state license while maintaining the rigorous standards and state-based regulatory oversight.
Joining the NLC would immediately strengthen Alaska's ability to recruit and retain nurses,
reduce time to hire,
and improve access to care,
especially during emergencies,
natural disasters,
and periods of acute staffing need.
From an operational perspective,
the NLC would support patient safety and continuity of care by enabling faster deployment of experienced nurses without compromising Alaska's authority to enforce professional standards or disciplinary actions.
For rural hospitals like ours, the impact would be significant.
The compact would expand our recruitment reach, stabilize staffing,
and help ensure Alaskans receive timely,
high-quality care close to home.
At a time when Alaska is seeking to strengthen its health care infrastructure and meet federal expectations for rural health access,
joining the NLC is a necessary and responsible step forward.
I respectfully urge you to support legislation and enable Alaska to join the NLC. Thank you for your time and commitment to the health of Alaskans.
Thank you very much, Ms.
Collins.
We'll go next to Tammy Rose.
Ms.
Rose,
please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
Ms.
Rose,
can you hear us?
Yes, I'm sorry.
Good afternoon, Chair and committee.
Thank you for the opportunity to provide testimony today.
My name is Candy Rose and I serve as the executive director at Polaris Transitional and Extended Care here in Anchorage.
I'm also a registered nurse who maintains a license in five states as my previous position was a regional position,
which I traveled around.
I'm speaking in support of the Alaska Jordan SB 124 Nursing License Compact.
Alaska's health care system faces unique and ongoing challenges related to geography,
workforce shortages, and access to care.
The Nurse License Compact offers a practical solution by allowing qualified nurses to practice across participating states under one multi-state license while maintaining strong regulatory oversight and patient safety standards.
From an operational and patient care standpoint,
the compact would improve workforce flexibility,
reduce delays in onboarding qualified nurses, and
health facilities respond more efficiently to staffing needs seasonal fluctuations and emergencies this flexibility is especially important in a state like Alaska where recruiting and retaining nurses can be difficult and time-sensitive participation in nurse license compacts does not lower the standards instead it strengthens them through shared accountability data sharing coordinated disciplinary action
allow for more flexibility in the workforce.
or action across states. It supports both patient protection and professional integrity while reducing unnecessary.
very administrative burden.
Ultimately joining the compact would help ensure Alaskans have timely access to qualified nursing care,
support our existing workforce,
and enhance the overall stability in our healthcare system.
I respectfully urge your support in Alaska's participation in the nurse licensure compact and thank you for your time and consideration.
Thank you very much for your testimony.
Up next is Barbara Umiker.
Please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony. You have two minutes.
Good afternoon. My name is Barbara Umiker. I'm a registered nurse at Bristol Bay Area Health Corporation in Dowling, Alaska,
and I'm personally urging support for SB124.
Unfortunately, working short-staffed because a newly hired nurse doesn't have their license has been an issue for the entire 15 years I've worked in Alaska.
At least twice during and just after COVID,
Covid we had to close our hospital
we had to close our hospital and divert all patient care except for the emergency room to Anchorage.
be a medevac due to low staffing.
I'm also very concerned about the comments connecting this bill to requirements for mandatory staffing ratios.
As these are two entirely separate issues, it does not have to be one or the other.
Our needs in the bush are very different from hospitals on the road system.
Our geographic location and population dynamics make us unique.
Our hospital covers an area the size of Ohio with 8,000 residents, but in the summer up to 30,000 additional people come to fish in the world's largest.
Wow, Jam and Fishery. This surge requires us to be flexible.
We are a small hospital with a small herd of nurses.
Every one of us is necessary.
Waiting for licensure approval can have a negative impact on the variety of areas our small staff covers.
Mandatory staffing ratios put our ability to be flexible at risk. Whether every hospital bed is full or emergency room has built to overflowing,
nurse management ensures each area is properly covered.
Being flexible means nurses go to the department they are most needed, including being recruited for a medevac.
We are 330 air miles from Anchorage from critical patients needing medevac such as a premature newborn or a patient on a ventilator.
We also have patients with high acuity needs because there are no beds available in Anchorage.
We have had an increase in psychiatric patients as well as elders with dementia who are waiting for a nursing home bed.
It's vital that we secure nursing staff that aren't waiting for life-singer as well as retain the flexibility for our nurse managers.
goes to my staffing.
We must be able to staff nurses efficiently and where the need is greatest,
not as directed by an outside governing body.
Thank you for your time and I'm asking you to support Bill 124 and support us in doing this valuable work.
Thank you very much for your testimony.
We'll go now to Hillary Goocher.
Please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
Good afternoon Chair and members of the Senate Labor and Commerce Committee.
My name is Hillary Goucher and I'm the Director of Nursing at Peace Health Ketchikan Medical Center and I'm testifying in strong support of SB 124,
the Multi-State Nurse Licensure Compact Act as written.
People's Catch Can Medical Center has served the Catch Can Gateway Borough and Prince of Wales Island since 1923,
providing access to health care in southeast Alaska is uniquely challenging due to our rural island geography.
Our critical access hospital and local clinics employ nearly 500 caregivers and 100 physicians and clinicians.
In the past year,
we've provided over 38,000 clinic visits,
more than 8,000 emergency department visits,
nearly 800 inpatient discharges, and performed more than 2,000 surgeries.
I was born and raised in Ketchikan and completed my nursing degree through the University of Alaska Anchorage here in southeast Alaska.
I deeply value my local training while also recognizing the need to modernize licensure processes to ensure access to the highest quality patient care.
I want to highlight something that hasn't been shared yet.
As a critical access hospital,
our exposure to complex cases is limited.
We benefit from bringing in highly skilled nurses who can share specialized expertise with our team.
Likewise, the compact allows our Alaska nurses to train alongside PeaceHealth colleagues in larger facilities in Oregon and Washington.
They then return to Alaska with advanced skills that are difficult to acquire locally.
These out-of-state training opportunities expand when licensure across state lines is streamlined.
You've already heard recruitment and retention remain significant challenges.
Alaska needs approximately 1,400 new registered nurses annually.
Southeast Alaska's aging population further intensifies the demand for care.
Currently hospital R&D vacancy rates average 20% with physicians taking more than 140 days to fill.
SB 124 would allow Alaska to join the nation's longest standing and most well vetted licensure compact.
The compact improves access to care,
supports workforce stability,
and maintains state oversight and public protection.
SB 124 is a critical step towards strengthening Alaska's nursing workforce and we respectfully urge the committee to pass this bill without amendment.
We appreciate your time and leadership and consideration.
Thank you for your testimony.
Betty Crewe,
you are next, but I just saw you drop off. Sorry I missed you. Call back if you want.
Shane Pond is next.
Please state your name and affiliation and begin your testimony.
Yes, Mr.
Chairman and the Labor and Commerce Committee,
I appreciate you and thank you for the time.
My name is in support of Senate Bill 124 regarding nursing licensure compact.
My name is Shane Paul and I'm an RN and the emergency and oncologist department director at Central Peninsula Hospital.
I'm in favor of passing Senate Bill 124 and I'm also in favor of being passed as it is written.
We are one of roughly 10 states who do not participate in the licensure compact for nurses. By participating in the licensure compact,
we will eliminate much of the administrative burden for both the state administrators as well as the nursing room looking to Alaska.
It could cover work as an adventure or even as a more permanent place of work.
It also will provide those who are recruiting and hiring another tool that can be used to further entice prospective nurses.
It is not the end-all be-all. It's only one more tool in our toolbox.
With fewer administrative burdens,
it has the potential to increase the candidate pool for nursing positions in Alaska.
And as you've heard before,
it also enables some of our nurses to go out of state while we have other affiliations and trades.
In avenues where we would not have other opportunities to do.
As we have more nurses come to Alaska,
we can decrease the shortage if we have the NLC in place. It also provides for diversifying the workforce,
keep up with the needs for nurses,
and in the end provides a great care of our patients that we expect.
Thank you all for your time.
Thank you, Mr.
Pond. Up next,
Denise Plano.
Ms. Plano, can you hear us?
Yes, I had you on mute. Thank you, Chair Bjorkman, members of the committee.
I'm here to testify in support of Senate Bill 124 as written.
I appreciate this opportunity.
My name is Denise Plano.
I am a registered nurse and the chief nursing officer at Central Peninsula Hospital in Soldotna.
We know Medicaid nurse licensure compact is an important tool for recruitment and retention and this is essential at Central Peninsula Hospitals currently.
Our medical surgical unit requires approximately 50% travelers to ensure safe patient care.
This is an unsustainable financial burden for our organization,
not just for contract payroll costs,
but also related resources required for the usual three-month term and that turnover that comes along with that.
Registered nurses from the lower 48 who are part of the RN license compact are ready to cross the line for what they're used to doing that and they would be able to easily and quickly transition to our state for jobs.
There have been situations where recruitment efforts were hijacked when out-of-state nurses hoping to move to Alaska were unable to get a license in time, thereby taking jobs elsewhere that have compact licensing laws.
I also want to point out 92% of nurses per the Alaska Board of Nursing Survey support Alaska in joining the NLC.
That is beyond statistically significant, and nurses don't always agree and not love every issue.
Only those can pay patient outcomes for our patients.
Ultimately, the bottom line for this essential resource for recruitment and retention,
allowing for the much-needed RN workforce to enter the state and care for our population.
Passing Senate Bill 124 as written will positively impact our patients,
ourselves,
our families, as well as the whole community and state.
Thank you, Chairman and members of the committee.
Thank you for your testimony,
Ms. Plano.
We'll go next to Kristen McLean.
Please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
Hello,
My name is Kristen McLean and I'm a registered nurse residing and practicing in Seward, Alaska for the past 19 years.
I'm providing testimony personally without affiliation today.
I'm here today to urge your strong support for Alaska's entry into the Nurse Licensure Compact by Senate Bill 124.
As a healthcare provider in a coastal rural community,
I see every day how the nursing shortage isn't just a headline, it is a direct threat to patient safety.
In rural communities, our staffing margins are razor thin.
When we experience seasonal population surges or local emergencies, our current licensing system acts as a bottleneck, preventing us from bringing in qualified help quickly.
In Seward, as in many rural areas of Alaska,
our resources are finite when
we face them in.
Administrative hurdles or staffing gaps is our patient to feel the impacts through longer wait times and reduced access to care.
SB 124 helps address this shortage by joining the Multi-State Nurse Licensure Compact. This allows facilities to recruit talent quickly and ensure that during a local crisis or seasonal surge we can bring in qualified help without administrative delays.
I urge you to pass Senate Bill 124 as written.
Thank you. Let's choose a path that invites more nurses into Alaska.
Thank you.
Thank you very much, Ms. McLean.
We'll go next to Rachel Vrba.
Hi, my name is Rachel Verba. I'm a 2001 graduate of UAA,
and I'm currently the Assistant Chief Nursing Officer at Central Peninsula Hospital in Soldotna, Alaska.
I'm calling today in strong support of Senate Bill 124, which would allow Alaska to join the NLC.
I want to share what this shortage is looking like on the ground here at our hospital.
We currently have approximately 50% of our inpatient.
patient nursing staff of travel nurses.
While travel nurses help keep services open,
it's not sustainable or cost effective model.
It can also impact continuity of care for our patients and our communities.
We're actively trying to recruit permanent nurses but one of the most common barriers we hear is how long it takes to obtain an Alaska nursing license.
We've had nurses turn down jobs here at Central Peninsula Hospital specifically because the Alaska licensure process has taken so long. By the time a license is issued,
many nurses have already accepted a job in a state where they can go to work in days versus weeks or months,
and that puts Alaska at a competitive disadvantage,
even though many nurses want to work here. SB 124 could help impact this.
The compactor would allow qualified nurses to practice across participating states while preserving Alaska's authority over scope of practice and discipline.
Forty-three states and jurisdictions already participate,
and Alaska is now competing against them for the same limited workforce.
For hospitals like ours, especially in rural and regional communities,
the compact would allow us to fill critical vacancies faster and strengthen emergency and surge response capacity.
It is a workforce access solution supported by the Alaska Board of Nursing,
the Alaska Hospital and Healthcare Association,
and by 92% of the Alaska nurses themselves.
From my perspective as a nurse leader,
SB 124 is one practical tool available to help stabilize Alaska's nursing workforce and improve access to the care,
especially here on the Kenai Peninsula. I respectfully urge you to advance SB 124.
as a standalone bill.
Thank you for the opportunity to testify.
Thank you, ma'am.
Am.
We'll go next to Heather McHenry.
Please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
Good afternoon.
My name is Heather McHenry.
I've been a registered nurse in South Peninsula Hospital long-term care and home for over 18 years.
I'm a so-called homegrown nurse having graduated from UAA and I am calling to support SB 124.
As we all know, our elderly population continues to grow,
but our workforce cannot keep up with the growing need.
While working with the elderly population is vastly rewarding,
it is also exhausting.
exhausting mentally and physically.
Our burnout rate is substantial.
Travel nurses have helped us over the years when we stretched ourselves thin trying to provide the best care possible for our elders.
Often we must continue to overwork as travel nurses and new hires are delayed due to licensure processing times.
I am also here as a union shop steward.
Our collective bargaining agreement currently has protections for our union members and out-of-state nurses are not a threat to us. In fact, having them available benefits us, our facility,
and our patients.
We actually have a history of converting out-of-state RNs and LPNs into Alaska residents,
South Peninsula Hospital employees,
and union members.
I think it's a great way for Alaska to recruit new professional residents.
I thank you for your time and your consideration.
Thank you, ma'am.
Am.
We'll go next to Carrie Pelso.
Please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
Thank you. Good afternoon, Chair Bjorkman,
Thank you.
members of the Senate Labor and Commerce Committee.
My name is Carrie Peluso,
and I am the Chief Nursing Officer for Providence, Alaska.
Thank you for this opportunity to share my strong support for SB 124 and for joining the Nurse Licensure Compact.
I have been a licensor in for 28 years and through my career have provided bedside care in emergency departments,
critical access hospitals,
and inpatient and outpatient settings.
Workforce shortages are real and in just four years Alaska will lead the nation in nursing vacancies.
There is not enough nurses in Alaska to fill existing needs and this is backed by labor statistics. We are proud to support Alaska's universities and are fortunate to have these programs graduating qualified nurses.
However,
we also need experienced nurses who help supervise these newer caregivers.
We need to attract and retain nursing talent from all levels of experience,
and Alaska is at an extreme disadvantage.
SB 124 is a clear-cut bill allowing Alaska to join the other 43 states and jurisdictions in the Nurse Licensure Compact.
This is one potential tool in the toolbox to grow our community-based workforce.
As one of only a handful of states not in the NFC,
we are being left behind in market competitiveness.
We have had staffing agencies threaten to leave Alaska market because of our licensing process and timelines.
We have also had nurses ready to move to our critical access hospitals in Seward,
Kodiak, and Valdez who have had to change their minds and accept other offers outside of Alaska because of the difficulty and delays in obtaining Alaska licensure.
The barrier is not in leaving Alaska,
but rather being able to attract additional health care workers to Alaska.
Thank you for your time and focus on how to grow our local workforce.
SB 124 is an opportunity to reduce barriers for nurses who choose to live and work in Alaska and join our community-based workforce.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you, ma'am. We'll go now to Caitlyn Smiley.
Good afternoon Chair and members of the committee,
my name is Caitlin Smiley. I'm a nurse in Anchorage, Alaska,
and I am calling in strong opposition to Senate Bill 124 on behalf of Alaska Nurses Association where I serve as the treasurer.
We've gotten through a lot of testimony today, so I want to keep it really brief and sweet for you guys.
The compact has not solved the staffing issue in the 43 states and jurisdictions that it already exists.
So I have really never heard any convincing information as to why it would solve it for Alaska.
We risk losing jurisdiction over the people that are here. We risk losing financial compensation,
We risk losing financial compensation and it does not solve the issue that is driving nurses away from the bedside, which is the working condition.
and
it does not solve the issue that is driving nurses away from the bedside, which is the working conditions. Thank you for your time.
Thank you very much, Ms.
Smiley. We'll go next to Marina Banks.
Ms. Banks, please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
Chair Bjorkman and Vice Chair Merrick and the members of the committee,
thank you for the opportunity to speak.
My name is Marina Banks and I am a nurse at Providence Alaska Medical Center.
I'm calling in opposition to Senate Bill 124.
As a bedside nurse in Alaska for the last 10 years, I've personally not seen or heard of licensure acquisition as a limiting factor for the staffing of nurses and in my experience it's not an anomaly.
A 2016 analysis of the National Bureau of Economic Research found little.
little evidence that the labor supply or mobility of nurses increased following the adoption of the compact in the nurses home state furthermore Alaska posed unique challenges for people prepared to relocate here licensing acquisition is not one of those boundaries more recently a 2024 analysis of nurse migration during the COVID-19 pandemic found that the effects of interstate mobility were not statistically significant
The analysis stated that nurses looking to work temporarily in other states benefit the most from the lowering of licensing barriers.
Other national data suggests the possibility of increased migration,
but that does not reflect Alaska's reality.
Moving here is fundamentally different than moving between states in the lower 48.
Our geography,
cost of living,
and remoteness are the real barriers, not licensure. The NLC would make it easier for nurses to leave, not stay.
We are at risk of becoming a pass-through state instead of a place where nurses build careers.
There's basically no incentive to staying and can actually increase turnover and destabilize core staff.
So from an evidence-based perspective,
I do not see compelling proof that the compact will improve workforce mobility and retention in Alaska.
If the goal is to solve Alaska's workforce challenges, we should be cautious about adopting a policy that is not supported by clear, meaningful evidence.
If the goal is to solve Alaska's
Thank you for your consideration of my comments.
I have also provided my testimony to the committee via email,
which includes my reference analysis.
Thank you very much, Ms.
Banks.
We'll go now to Savannah Wolfe. Ms. Wolfe, please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
Hi, my name is Savannah and thank you for the opportunity to speak today.
you for the opportunity to speak today. I am.
nurse at Alaska Regional,
at Alaska Regional, but I'm speaking on behalf of myself today.
I've worked at the bedside for the last eight years and I found that we do not have a shortage of nurses.
we do not have a shortage of nurses.
We have a shortage of nurses willing to work in the current conditions at the bedside.
I've seen many experienced RN leaving the bedside or leaving altogether due to changing ratios.
Nurse patient ratios have continually increased since
2020 and we need more nurses.
We need legislation in place to protect our nurses and patients that live here and work in our communities.
and by the stay in our communities
From unsafe staffing ratios,
sorry.
Sorry.
We attract more nurses by being a place where nurses want to come and stay because of safe conditions.
We track more nurses by being a
Thank you for my opportunity to speak today.
Thank you very much, Ms.
Wolf,
for your testimony.
We'll go now to Marge Stoneking. Ms. Stoneking,
please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
Good afternoon, Chair Bjorkman and members of the committee.
I'm Marge Stoneking,
Advocacy Director for AARP Alaska.
Our mission is to create conditions where older Alaskans can choose how they live as they age, and most of them want to age in place here in Alaska.
However,
health care access is a critical component in their ability to do so,
and that's why I'm testifying in support of SB 124 to allow Alaska to join the Nurse Licensure Compact.
As you know, Alaska has one of the fastest growing senior populations per capita in the nation,
and we're staying here as seniors in our state,
which is good for Alaska.
However, the need for health care workforce growth to care for that growing population of seniors is predicted to grow through the current decade due to an aging workforce and increased need in a state already facing a severe health care shortage.
healthcare provider shortage with nurses topping the list.
High nurse vacancy rates result in less access to care for Alaskans, clinic or facility closures, and longer wait times at hospitals and ERs, putting extra burden on seniors and their family caregivers.
In a state with some of the highest long-term care facility and health care costs overall in the nation,
we need to be concerned that extreme nursing shortages can further increase health care costs as well as the health care access.
The NLC is not a silver bullet for the nursing shortage.
However,
Alaskan needs all the tools in the toolbox, including the NLC.
And so AARP Alaska strongly supports participation in the NFC to remove a barrier to more nurses coming to work in Alaska's pioneer homes,
nursing homes,
hospitals,
and clinics.
The fastest growing senior population in the nation needs more nurses now.
Thank you.
Thank you very much, Ms.
Stone King.
Up next is Ms.
Jolene Corliss. Ms.
Corliss, please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony. You have two minutes.
Ms. Corliss, can you hear us?
I apologize.
Thank you, Senator Bjorkman.
Hold on.
Okay.
I'm on the phone.
Thank you.
Okay.
I apologize for this. My name is Jolene Corliss and I'm a registered nurse.
I'm currently the health care representative for Labor Local 341.
We represent the health care.
We represent the health care workers at Alaska Regional Hospital.
Prior to this role,
I spent 12 years as a nurse at Alaska Regional Hospital.
My husband and I came to Alaska on travel nurse contract.
At the time, there were very few nurse licensure compacts, so waiting and planning your moves was part of the deal.
If a nurse wanted to travel to Alaska,
then you had to plan.
That is okay.
A nurse has to be invested in the idea of Alaska.
We love Alaska and the lifestyle it has provided for us. But even more we love the level of care we were able to provide to our patients.
We came from a fast-paced ICU.
The charge nurse was always in an assignment and we took our own trash out at times and we had three patient assignments at times.
When we started Alaska Regional Hospital,
there was a secretary to answer the phones, there were free charge nurses to provide additional support.
to the department and there was lift team available to help with turning and getting our patients out of bed which are best practices for our patients.
There were staff members who could come around and take out our trash.
It felt good to be a nurse in Alaska.
I felt supported and I liked but I felt like I could be a bedside nurse forever.
Over the years their team the care changed and the hospital began demanding more of the bedside staff.
Instead of having three lift team members to help patient turns and getting out of bed, one lift team member or none would be assigned to the hospital.
Sometimes there weren't janitors to help take out the trash, but the hospital quit having secretaries in the ICU.
I transitioned to the ER,
which was a fine spot for me.
I enjoyed this level of care.
However,
in November of 2024,
I was asked to be in charge over the weekend.
And the demands were unreasonable.
We were short-staffed and it felt impossible to provide lunches to our nurses and safe care.
We had one patient who came in with dizziness and I provided her the only room left in our department.
That day I was that patient nurse,
the secretary,
and acting as a charge nurse.
The load was too much. The patient fell,
and I contacted the health supervisor and requested a sitter.
There were no staff members available to sit.
I moved the patient closer to the nurse's station,
and she fell again.
Only after the patient fell a second time was the hospital able to find a sitter for the patient.
I let that patient down, and I let her family down by not being able to provide the level of care that the patient deserved. His family trusted their mom would receive great care from us.
I was burnt out as being a bedside clinician.
This is not the kind of care I wanted to provide to patients when I signed up for nursing.
This isn't the level of care I was able to provide when I started my career in Alaska.
As corporations become more interested in the bottom line,
patients and nurses suffer.
The Nurse Licensure Compact will not solve the real crisis that is facing Alaska's burnt out bedside clinicians.
Retention is the answer.
Creating a work environment.
Where nurses want to come to work every day,
knowing they will have time to spend with their patients and provide excellent care.
Knowing they are supported and have the resources around to help.
Base staffing legislation is the answer,
not a nurse licensure compact.
I urge the Senate and Labor and Commerce Committee to vote no on the nurse licensure compact.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you for your testimony.
Enjoy the weekend with your kids.
Up next, it's Tracy Mary.
Good afternoon, everyone.
My name is Tracy Mary.
I'm the Chief Nursing Officer at SEARCH Wrangell Medical Center in Wrangell, Alaska.
Our hospital is a critical access hospital located on a remote island in Southeast Alaska.
I support Senate Bill 124.
Recruitment and retention is by far our biggest challenge as a critical access hospital.
Challenges in the United States are amplified in rural settings like ours.
There are fewer people, more geographic space between them,
less transportation and technology access,
and more barriers to workforce recruitment and retention in rural settings.
On average, it takes approximately 118 days to fill a vacant RN position in Alaska.
We often lose applicants who have other job offers in the lower 48.
These applicants find the wait time is far too long.
I was born and raised in Alabama.
Alabama joined the NLC in 2020,
which makes it incredibly easy to apply for nursing jobs across the nation.
I chose to apply in Alaska a year before I came.
It took me almost three months to receive my Alaska nursing license.
As a CNO now in Alaska,
I see firsthand.
The delays in recruitment that are linked to lengthy licensure time frames and not being a part of the NLC.
You've already heard the statistic,
however,
I do want to reiterate it.
According to the Alaska Health Care Workforce Analysis,
by the year 2030,
Alaska will be leading the nation with having the largest nursing shortage,
predicted to reach 23%.
So again,
I support Senate Bill 124.
This will increase our nursing workforce flexibility and enabled us to fill vacant positions more quickly.
Thank you so much for hearing me today.
Thank you very much for your testimony.
Up next is Trisha Pavlicek.
Ms.
Pavlicek, please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony.
Hi, my name is Trisha Pavlicek and I am a lifelong Alaskan and a registered nurse who graduated from UAA about 10 years ago and I'm calling in strong opposition to Senate Bill 124.
Hi.
As you've heard,
there's been a lot of testimony today,
of testimony today, so I would like
so I would like to keep it short and simple,
and it seems that Alaska's nursing licensing has many inefficiencies, and I feel that the NLC will not solve these inefficiencies and will increase the transient staff that will be here for less than 60 days and shuffle through Alaska as we already have as travel nurses. These travel nurses,
although they bridge the gap.
provide the care needed to our residents they do not solve the problem of staffing that the NLC is looking to solve with that being the case I would urge us to oppose this and look into solving the inefficiencies of why it would take six months to hire a long-term care nurse or deploy research and data collections as to our workforce's current conditions and why we have retention issues
Thank you for your time and consideration today.
Thank you, ma'am, for your testimony.
We'll go next to Angela Gaudette.
Angela Gaudette.
Sorry.
Hi, thank you for the opportunity to testify.
My name is Angel Godet, and I have worked for a local anchorage hospital as an RN on an acute care setting for a solid 27 years until last week when I painfully, let me repeat,
painfully decided to leave bedside nursing at my current position after repeated shifts with a new 6 to 1 ratio and not.
being able to give safe effective compassionate care that our community deserves
NLC is not the answer you guys to our nursing shortage fixing our nursing conditions should be addressed first and foremost
The state reports a 92% support rate from Alaska nurses.
But in reality, the 4,500 responses,
did you hear that, from 30,000 nurses,
that's only 15% of our nurses. Come on, difficulties in getting an Alaska license,
then fix it,
make it easier,
focus on getting this job streamlined.
I mean, if you take an enormous amount of money away from the Board of Nursing,
what is that going to do for the process sometimes for nurses wanting to get an RN license?
in like the gen in Alaska.
If you are concerned about nurses with felonies, misdemeanors, then improve restrictions.
There's so many more improvements that we can make here first.
As far as new grads leaving to travel jobs,
that's not a reality.
These most companies require a minimum of nursing experience first.
I agree that the state does sell itself.
I have asked every travel nurse I've come in contact with easily over 35 in the past year since I had the opportunity to come in contact with many,
and not one of them has said that Alaska not being an NLC was a barrier to coming up,
and many of them have stayed, like other people have reported.
There is a connection to ratios and working conditions. Having an LCU provides zero incentive for any healthcare facility to improve their workplace environment.
And why bother retaining your dedicated experienced nurses who are raising the next generation of nurses when your perspective is to simply...
entice expensive short-term workforce.
The state is not doing a good job in proving the NLC will improve our nursing issues. They can't even provide important numbers and compelling information you asked for today or do a deep dive on what is going on with our current nurses and entering nurses.
Not only do I stand in opposition of the bill,
I implore, practically beg,
legislators.
to work on fixing retention,
recognition,
and solid recruitment and treatment of our local Alaskan nurses.
Thank you for your time and hearing my testimony and I welcome any questions on my perspective.
Thank you very much, Ms.
Godet.
Any questions from committee members?
Go next to Bruce Seaton.
Hi,
I'd like to thank...
The committee for hearing me. My name is Bruce Seeley. I'm a nurse in Alaska.
I'm strongly opposed to the SB 124.
Before I get into that, I got to say there's been pretty doom and gloom on the fall.
It did a great job.
I enjoy it.
Work is good.
I enjoy coming to work.
Things are all right.
Let me start with that.
But just in general with the presentation I've heard so far,
your math isn't mathing. You got...
Yeah, 27,000 licensed nurses and you're making 300 plus a year and you still can't stop the gap.
That doesn't make sense to me to start.
And then, again,
Texas has been in the COP Act for 25 years and I still get texts all the time asking me to come down there and be a travel nurse.
They haven't solved their nursing shortage.
And then number four,
I'm not, like a four-month license,
like if you're not planning four months ahead,
you're not serious about coming to Alaska.
You're not serious if you're basically an itinerant worker,
which is fine.
I have nothing against that. I appreciate the travelers.
But how does cutting off like four months of nurse license time,
like how does that save Alaska in 2030?
Like it doesn't. It doesn't make any sense.
It's four months.
Well, what you need is accountability,
you need a team density,
and you need mentorship programs and outcomes from within.
You know, you take these three other nurses,
you start training them up and down,
they're already here,
that's perfect.
So let's work on that.
Fix ratios, work on retention,
and fix nursing positions.
And that's all I've got to say.
But like I say,
it's a great job.
I've been doing it 25 plus years here.
So I appreciate the time.
Thanks to the committee.
And no one else needs one to talk?
Thank you very much, Mr.
Seaton. We'll go next to Jennifer Brinner.
Yes, hello.
Thank you.
Good afternoon.
My name is Mr.
Sorry about that.
Sorry about that.
Good afternoon,
Mr.
Chairman and committee members.
My name is Jennifer Briner and I'm a fourth generation Alaskan.
I am a registered nurse and the chief nursing officer at Petersburg Medical Center.
I am calling to express my support and my organization's support for SB 124.
I have worked as an RN in my facility for the past 30 years.
Throughout my tenure,
we have struggled with a shortage of nurses in our community, as it takes special person to live and work in a critical access hospital on an island in the middle of a rainforest.
Our team is fantastic,
our wages are fair,
and our volumes are low,
allowing nurses to spend more time at the bedside than any ratio would require.
Despite working hard to grow our own by hosting a UAA outreach site for RN students,
we cannot grow enough nurses to meet our needs.
We also must be strategic about how many new nurses, how many new graduates we incorporate into our small staff to allow for the high degree of confidence and independence that our rural nurses must have.
I have witnessed excessively licensure time for staff coming to Petersburg over the past 10 years.
Nurses to our Coast Guard spouses and other nurses in the insurance community wait several months before being able to begin work while we are desperate for help.
For our organization,
one nurse and each day we wait for them makes a huge difference.
We fill our gaps in our staffing with travel nurses.
While we continually work on our long-term recruitment and retention,
joining the NLC will greatly increase the number of highly qualified nurses who are available to quickly join us to care for our residents and our patients,
which improves safety for staff and patients,
elevates the level of care,
and prevents burnout for the small staff who call Petersburg home. I strongly support SB 124 and ask you to pass it as proposed.
Thank you for the opportunity for speaking today.
Thank you.
Thank you very much, Ms.
Briner.
We'll go next to Janelle Norton.
Ms. Norton.
Hi, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. I am happy to speak to you today.
Thank you.
My name is Janelle Norton.
I am from Wyoming.
I hold licenses for registered nurse in both Wyoming,
which is a compact state,
and Alaska,
which is not.
I am in full 100% of SB 124,
and the primary reason for that has not been addressed by anyone that I've approached so far.
It is that every single nation nurse in America takes a national exam.
It is a nationally standardized exam.
It is pulled from approximately several thousand questions and written as it is taken.
Every single nurse in this nation is qualified to work in every single state.
It is an outdated mode of operation to limit a nurse to one state when they have the standard,
the understanding, and the knowledge to work in every single one.
Let's not forget that as we address all of the supplemental issues.
When I got my Alaska license,
it took over four months of very active,
very intensive engagement with the board to get it.
And as a nurse who has held many licenses by endorsement from states that are not in the nursing compact,
Alaska is by far the most difficult, convoluted, and prolonged process second only to California.
It is very difficult for a nurse to get it. The average wait time is one to two weeks for a license by endorsement, which simply states that my home state is the one who maintains that I have a license in good standing,
not costing Alaska anything.
I think one of the factors I've noticed in the testimony today is that most are ill-versed in what it actually takes for a monitoring of a travel contract.
I have had many for the past five years.
Every single contract, I have a drug test.
Every single contract, I have a background check.
Thank
Thank
you, Janelle. Your
time
has
expired.
Thank you for your time.
Thank you for testifying.
Up next is Louis Theis.
Yes.
Good afternoon,
Chairman and members.
I'm speaking in support of the MLC and the SB 124. I'm a former president,
treasurer, and board member of the Girdwood Health Clinic,
which is a federally qualified health center.
Please
Please
state your name for the
record
sir.
Lewis Teach,
T-H-E-I-S-S.
Thank you.
So I've been in healthcare clinic governance for about 12 years,
and keeping our clinic staffed with nurses has always been a problem.
I heard someone else use the word bottleneck, and I would say that the supply and demand problem that we have in this state for nurses could be described that way as well. When I look at the cost benefit
of passing this, it seems like, you know, 92% of the nurses in the state are in favor of it, and it's pretty much from what I can see just the nurses governance boards, like the labor committees, that are against it. And so the cost benefit, I think, is huge, would be huge to allow us to join the lower 48, the 43 states down there. And the last thing that I haven't heard mentioned that might be interesting to you is that
the $272 million that the federal government is going to spend on the Rural Health Care Transformation Fund, and that we'll be losing out on some of that money unless we join the Nurses Compact here.
So I think it's good for small – it's definitely a way that small rural communities
can get nurses if we could open up and join this compact.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Up next, Tiffany Bennett.
Ms.
Bennett,
can you hear us?
Ms.
Bennett,
are you there?
We'll come back to you in just a moment.
Last person on our list for invited testimony is Sandra Lenacek. Ms.
Lenacek, please state your name and affiliation for the record and begin your testimony. You have two minutes.
I'm Sandra Lenacek.
I'm part of the 92% of Alaska RNs who are in favor of the NLC Compact.
I have been a nurse for 47 years and a nurse in Alaska since 2011.
I hear some participants talking about patient ratios and the NRC compact in the same sentence,
the same argument,
and I believe that they're separate issues.
And I would hope that at some time the Senate would address the patient ratios in a separate way,
but I strongly urge you to pass the compact.
Thank you.
Thank you very much Ms.
Lenachek.
We'll give Ms.
Bennett another shot. Ms.
Bennett are you out there?
Hi, thank you. Sorry, I also have children screaming in the background.
That's okay we like kids here.
Hi Anna, for hearing me today,
my name is Valerie Bennett.
I'm also an RN and a graduate of the UNA nursing program.
I'm testifying without affiliation today.
I am in support of safe nursing ratios.
I believe this to be an issue that we can focus on and tackle separately.
And I have experienced direct effect of bedside burnout.
I'm in support of Senate Bill 124.
I see it as a tool that brings us nurses so that we actually have those nurses to meet the safe staffing ratios that we're all talking about.
Senate Bill 124 is a practical tool,
and I'm not going to regurgitate what everyone else said, so I'm done.
Thank you.
Thank you very much for your testimony.
Is there anyone else in the room or online who wishes to testify to Senate Bill 144 today?
1.24.
Hearing and seeing none at this time, I'll close public testimony on Senate Bill 1.24.
That brings the bill back before the committee. Is there any committee discussion or committee comments?
I have a few questions and comments just very briefly that we'll talk about maybe at a future hearing.
Questions came up regarding licensing and who would be responsible for paying for investigations in regards to where people reside.
So I'm wondering about that,
if we would be responsible to pay for...
compact licensed nurses who are initially licensed in Alaska even when they work in other states and something happens wondering how that works also I'm wondering I think I remember that we made changes to licensing to take care of
Military families and Coast Guard families'
spouses for the purpose of nurse licensure,
so I think we addressed that problem already. I'd like clarification on that.
There seems to be confusion generally about what the purpose of this bill is for and why we need it.
So I hear from proponents of this bill kind of both things,
that we need this bill to deal with our staffing issues,
but that this bill doesn't have anything to do with staffing issues.
So that's a bit perplexing.
When the bill was first presented to me, it was definitely a way to reduce the number of travelers that would be needed for our hospitals,
and I've also been told that we convert a good number of travelers who come here up to 25%. However,
if 50% of the travelers at our local hospital or 50% of the nurses that are travelers at our local hospital are still travelers.
and somehow we're converting 25% of the travelers to stay here and remain and be resident nurses,
that math doesn't add up.
You can only take 25% to 50% until you have a gap so small that you no longer have a need for travelers,
if you're converting that many.
So these are kind of the struggles that I think happen.
I think most likely both things are true,
that we have a working conditions problem and we have a licensing problem.
And I think we need to be willing to deal with that.
So I appreciate everyone's endurance today as we normally do not go until a quarter after four here in Labor and Commerce.
We will continue this discussion at a future meeting. At this time, we will set Senate Bill 124 aside for further consideration at a future meeting.
I want everybody out there working in the nursing field to know that we deeply appreciate you and everything you do.
due for our communities.
The Senate Labor and Commerce Committee will meet again on Monday this week, next week I'm sorry,
when we will take up SJR 28 which got bumped from our calendar today.
We'll take up again Senate Bill 217 employer contributions,
Senate Bill 258,
contract licensing software applications and that will conclude our agenda for Monday.
There's no further business coming forward the committee today.
We are adjourned at 4:15 p.m.
SA.