City of Craig, City Council Meeting 10-15-26

Of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

All right, Council, moving on to hearing from the public.

All right, hearing nothing from the public, we'll move on to consent agenda. A motion to approve the consent agenda. Second. Open for comments, discussion. All those in favor?

Aye. All right, moving on to report from city committee officials. Mr. Administrator, I submitted my biweekly report plus my trip report to Southeast Alaska Conference. If you guys have any questions, let me know.

I did have one, one, one comment, Mr. Mayor. Uh, we We all approved the antenna power. Does this need to go back to the council for approval? Did it? Well, yes, because it's going to a different location since they didn't want to put it on power.

All right, anybody have any questions for the city clerk?

I have a few add-ons. Perfect. So, um, I went ahead with, um, the email address for CE. I changed it when I updated it to Hannah. I made it CE instead of associating with the name, and I would like to do that with everybody's if I can hold off as we change seats, but it gives me the ability to do the technical run behind— run to Black Point stuff instead of them, like we found with Josh.

They needed to connect with him during the day, and it was because he was on a roof and it was hard. And so if we make it CA, CB, and it still goes to you guys, but that would be one change I would like to know if you guys would be okay with me doing that. And then the website upgrade, renewal, whatever you want to call that, meetings have begun, there'll be a window of time where we can't put new data on our website. And then so we'll— I'll just communicate with you guys mostly email. Like, I won't be putting our, our packets on the website.

I will put them on Dropbox. I will put them in an email to you. And then that launch should happen December 2nd. So from— for about a month, we will not have utilization of our website that then once it launches will supposedly be better and wonderful. So we'll just want to post all of our stuff in 3 different places in a timely manner.

And I can still do the text my gov. Still do Facebook too, right? I can still do Facebook, yeah. So I can still do all that. It's just that I think mostly the calendar functionality where we hold the packets and the agenda That'll be the one that probably impacts council most, but we will find a way to work around that.

And, um, the next one is new planner arrives November 2nd. She'll be in the office. Okay. Yeah. And so that will be wonderful, and you guys will have more of my— more percentage of my brain.

That'll be great. I appreciate it. Great job. All right, you have any questions? I'm happy to answer.

All right, moving on to reading of correspondence, donation request from the Ki-Rapte team.

Without knowing our budget, I don't feel like we can discuss that. Yeah, I'd like to know how many miles we have and What we have left in the donations. I haven't been here. Yeah, donations are— they're asking for mileage donation on this side of it, but, uh, donations were down to probably about $2,000. And there's— I, I'd like to— if it works for my schedule, I'd like to go to Anchorage this year.

So I don't know how many people are going to be going to Anchorage for AML. When is that? It's usually the first week of December. So it's, um, I think the newly elected officials is the 7th through the 9th, is that right? As many times as we've gone to Anchorage, the most that I get out of that— I get a lot out of the newly elected officials every, you know, every year going to hit that newly elected.

I may have not done it last year, but you get a lot out of the elected officials. You get to talk to the attorneys in a lot of the bigger municipalities and they explain, you know, so Yeah, absolutely. I think, uh, yeah, I mean, it will be the first week of December. Yeah, I've yet to do it on my first term, so I'd like to go up there. It's just been—.

Yeah, I'd like to—. You've never done it? No, no, I've never—. Yeah, it's good. Yeah, I've just been—.

Just the wrong time of the year. Yeah, absolutely. Meaning hopefully there's enough miles to go around. Yes, yes, we definitely got lots and lots of miles. Yeah, we just need to figure out what we have for donation-wise.

Rebecca, would you be able to text us the dates for that? Thank you.

I think we have time. Do we just want to move the donation request, um, and throw it on to the next meeting with the request? Well, Kimber will be here. That sound good? All right, perfect.

We'll move on to consideration of resolution and ordinances. Ordinance 816, amending the order of business. A motion to approve. Second reading of Ordinance 816, amend the city code, uh, order of business. Second.

Okay, open for discussion.

The only, only thing I have— this is great, I, I do like this, that gives us a lot of chance to work on everything we need. But if we get into the summer months where there's more load of a standard meeting, would we be able to flex that back without the work session?

Even in the reading, it does mention that we can still conduct normal business Um, just like we would in our, in our other council meeting. Okay, that's my only concern. Yeah, yeah, there will come, especially if you've got like the land sale, you don't want to make them wait 2 months to get through 2 meetings. Oh yeah, you'll have certain situations where there'll be an order of business to conduct prior to the court sessions. I don't know, it leaves more kind of an opening for some of the public as well to be involved in, you know, a different capacity rather than the 3-minute speaking.

Mike? Yeah, so on months when we would only have one meeting, then it would just be normal council business meeting. And then I also think the idea is worthy, but I was wondering, you know, my thought would be to start off with it maybe once a quarter and then flex it. Like in the fourth quarter here, we only have one month with two meetings. It looks like we're going to October, November, December, we're probably going to have one.

I just was thinking that one meeting a quarter that would be focused, you know, towards our, you know, community and discussions of, you know, things that we're doing, business and stuff. To me, it just seems a little bit more amenable because I— something like, yeah, sometimes we do get stretches of time when we have a lot of work on our agenda and it could pile up into one meeting.

So, you know, I'm just— once a quarter, I think, for me personally, would work as well.

And I guess, would it be unheard of, even if we did do the work session, to add anything that's more of a priority to, you know, to add into that work session for typical meeting agenda, just to get it in the beginning and get it out of the way? Any business? So what if we— so this, I was— this work session on that order of business Maybe we establish that work session order and we say we just have a work session meeting once per quarter, but we've now established what that agenda would look like, and it gives us the freedom to have regular meetings throughout the busy months and then make sure and have one, one per quarter, maybe every other month. Council could decide how, how much they want to engage with that, but that would give you an opportunity to perhaps go through the code a title at a time, and maybe, you know, the spring session you're going to attack, you know, title number whatever and, and get it cleaned up and, and redone. Yeah, not only titles and employee handbooks, but this would also be beneficial for budget time also, to be able to— people actually be able to schedule a good time that we normally have already scheduled to discuss that stuff.

It's— I mean, we clean it up a little bit, but I mean, it is written that we could still conduct business. So basically as long as we're putting it out in a couple of weeks' notice of what our agenda is going to look like and what our, you know, what our meeting is going to look like for the public, then I think we're pretty— we can do whatever we want with the way that it's written. What if we did the reports from the managers and put that in the work session? Because that's the biggest block for the first meeting. You know, besides business, that first meeting of the month is always the biggest block.

If we put that in the work session, then, then if we have any real business, it's all just business in the first meeting, and then manager reports, and then they might be able to help assist with anything that we are going through, whatever title. We are required to have one meeting a month, so usually the employees give up their update on the first meeting. We always have the first meeting, sometimes the second meeting we don't. So what were you going to say? Sorry, I just had an idea.

So people submit their written reports at that first meeting, and if— and they're required to come if they're a department head. If they have something that they need to discuss, they want input and whatnot, I would assume like all the, the verbal add-on could happen at that work session meeting, and that would help streamline the more formal meeting to just, you know, we've got your report, thank you, I have some things I want to talk about at the work session with you, will you be able to attend, and then move on. Yeah, I— it's just an idea. Yeah, yeah, I like all the input. This is great.

I'm happy to update and formalize. Yeah, Mr. Chair, um, I would suggest that we do, at least to the outset, because I think there's enough to discuss and deep dive with the council. Things like parking policy, um, now we've got the employee handbook coming up. I want to talk through and go through in detail some of my suggestions on software selection for our failing software system in the city.

The financial software. And that's going to be a deep dive, and it's not something that I want you guys— I want everybody to be involved in, in terms of planning things like parking or land sales or anything like that. I want also to make sure that the public has a chance to come in. So I'd like to have more than once a quarter at the outset. Maybe that's not going to materialize during the holidays per se, because we've got November, December coming up, probably one meeting per those months.

But, um, once we get into the spring leading up for then the budget cycle and all of that, I think we really want to deep dive because, um, uh, it's been a long time since the council has done a strategic planning session, and, um, we really need that kind of direction, everybody getting on the same page, having the same vector moving forward so that I can tell the staff in the city what our mission really is. Right now it's just kind of keeping things together, and there's— and that's also part of why there's not as much consistency. So getting more involvement, you know, a little more clustered at the beginning, I think I would feel comfortable with, and then after that we have them as necessary or something like that. That would be my suggestion.

Mr. Mayor? Yeah, yeah, actually I think that's, that's reasonable. So my thought would be just, can we— I, I didn't look at this super close, but if we can put the language in there that would reflect what you basically just said, maybe at the mayor, city administrator's discretion, you have a work session, otherwise it's business as usual. And then when the need is there, you can call the work session. Like, we could do 2 or 3 months in a row.

Otherwise, it's normal meetings.

Okay, that's just the suggestion.

Any more discussion?

So my question would be then, as this is second reading, so this would be enacted if we—. If we— unless we want to amend it.

I can agree upon the amendments unless you want to bring it back with amendments to council. Right now we have a motion to move forward with it as written.

I mean, as you're saying, does the language give us this flexibility?

I didn't think about this aspect of it when I was reading it, but does it give us the flexibility to—. Under C, it says the presiding officer may modify the work order or the order of business as necessary, so to facilitate efficient conduct and discussion during regular meetings. So that, that tells me presiding officer can mod— you can change it. So under good practices, we would want to make sure whatever we were going to discuss during that council meeting had been notified to the public and well in advance, and not just start talking about it during a meeting that we haven't let the public know about.

Um, so yeah, I think it gives us room to to have and run a regular meeting if we would like to do that and advertise it as that. But as we're doing these meetings and we won't be making decisions in the meetings, there'll be more of a group session to decide how to move forward. And then once we make a decision, then we'll advertise it to the community who could be involved during those sessions. But that way we're still advertising and giving everybody proper notice on the meetings, what's on the agendas. Yeah, because they'd have to go through first and second readings.

Yeah, well, people like— even if it did, and you were here and it was like, hey, we decided to talk about housing somewhere and we decided we're going to put a house there, you know, um, and everybody said we weren't at that meeting, you guys didn't advertise. So it's just stuff to keep on the radar as we start doing stuff a little bit different. And I'm sure we'll get a little bit of public comment on this once people read and people see what the community thinks of it as well. I mean, they might like it. This also says 6:30.

Oh yeah, they're— yeah, if, um, if we want to amend this and bring it back next meeting, I'm, I'm happy to do that.

That is up to council right now. The motion is to approve as written.

Do you need a motion for her to—. Um, I'm going to ask for a vote if I don't hear a different motion. So if you want a motion, can I make a motion to amend?

What's your motion? Oh, to— for her to come back with them. Oh, stated—. Sorry, would you like the corrected language that just— yes. Oh, okay.

Do I have a second?

Second.

Okay, so there's my second. Is there discussion on that amendment, or want a discussion on the verbiage to amend? Yeah, yeah, I think there's a couple things we can probably just finesse a little bit. Okay, do you have enough clarity on what you would want to amend it to bring back to the council, or do you want more clarity from the council right now? My understanding is that you want the language that authorizes the mayor or city administrator to request work sessions.

Um, we're not dialing in and pinning down that it will happen on an exact schedule, but we are establishing what a work session agenda would look like. Versus a regular session agenda and giving that freedom for the mayor or the city administrator to call them. Is that, is that what we're amending? That would work for me. Okay, okay.

All those in favor? Aye. All right, thank you, Council. Moving on to Resolution 2619, supporting CalPac transportation priorities. Move to adopt Resolution 26-19, affirming support of POWCACS Resolution 26-1, Transportation Priorities for POWCS for 2026.

Second. Open for discussion.

I'd like to just acknowledge, you know, the work that went into getting this started, POWCACS started again for Maury and for the other communities to join in.

I just— I think it's a good, good step forward for Island as a whole.

Any more discussion? Roll call, please. Josh Bennett? Yes. Shauna Thomas?

Yes. Janice Trojan? Yes. Hannah Coates? Yes.

Michael Kampnich? Yes. All right. So moving on to Resolution 26-20, Sháan Séet MOU. Move to adopt Resolution 26-20 approving the MOU with Sháan Séet as presented and authorizing the mayor to execute the agreement on behalf of the city.

Second. Open for discussion.

Been a long time coming. Good job. Thank you.

A lot of confusion on this one. Yeah, it's communication. It went in circles there for a while. That's about it. We're doing better now.

Hearing no discussion, roll call please. Michael Kampnich.

I'm looking at, uh, this last little thing I just noticed, sections D and G. So I have a question on that. Oh shoot, does that— I know the, you know, when we had this before us before There was questions about whether the status of the corporation was considered the same as the tribe or not. I think even the tribe had some concern about that. And I know that, you know, at the time we did, believing that the purview of these sections was more tribal rather than corporation.

Well, they are a tribal corporation. They're for-profit. Yeah, they are for-profit. They're not a nonprofit like the federally recognized. I will add that those sections are for discussion, not for decision necessarily, or even agreement.

They're just things that Sháan Séet would like to remain on the agenda for discussion topics. Yeah, see, I mean, I think all of this stuff is exactly what we— is the whole reason why we have an MOU is to bring all of our common goals together and make a plan and show that we're prioritizing with the CTA, Sháan Séet, and ourselves being the three different entities in the community that can start seeking funds and making a difference.

So the—. But agreeing to this includes subsections D&G, they asked for those to be remitted or, uh, yeah, put back in the green state.

I have, as Mike, I have issues with this. I really want this, but I also see that traditional hunting, fishing, gathering, the hunting is— all these things fall under the State Fish and Game and the local police for, you know, you can't hunt in town, you know. So there's, there's certain guidelines that are protecting us on the land that they did, uh, that we did get from 14c3. The question is preservation of, you know, that opens the door for a lot of stuff. Again, it doesn't imply that we support any of it.

It just implies that we're going to speak, you know, we're going to— that's going to be a potential topic of discussion and agreement between the two entities. And that's one of our biggest topics that we talk about, even with the CTA and the other tribes across the island, is, you know, our fishing rights. Or, you know, so it's not like Morgan said, this isn't saying that we're going to take the same stand, but we have the opportunity to discuss this stuff. They really They said this is what they were about when they talked about this section, and when this section got taken out, they felt like, you know, part of their identity got taken out of it. So it was important for them to put it back in.

Did our city lawyers have any red flags on this, on the language that's in it?

No, because it doesn't commit us to anything. No. And then it still says we can terminate for 30 days written notice.

Of course we're going to work collaboratively with each other on the items that we support. Um, I dealt with this in Cassan where people did not want the road paved, they didn't want any economic development over there. Um, so I would never put a non-letter of support in, and so they wouldn't ask us to, you know, have a negative outlook on on something. So anything that we're going to be working on is going to be what we all both agree upon that's going to be best for the community.

Any more discussion?

Roll call, please. Michael Kampnich? Nope. Anna Coats? Yes.

Janice Trojan? Yes. Shauna Thomas? Yes. Chanel McKinley is absent.

Josh Bennett? Yes.

Perfect, thank you.

No unfinished business. Moving to new business. Vision and government presentation from Successive survey. Oh, um, yeah, I think we would have plugged that in ahead. Oh, sorry.

TV, we got— I can turn the TV on over there if you want. Okay, all right.

All right, do you want to plug in?

Yeah.

In front of us. Yeah, we'll talk about that on council comments. Okay, without knowing the budget. No, this is, uh, the benches though is a different thing. We can just suggest which ones we want.

Okay, can you hear me from back here? All right, so my name is Emily Gall. I work for the Division of Subsistence with Fish and Game. I'm the lead researcher for Southeast projects. We have a 3-year project happening here in Prince of Wales in Craig, Kluwak and Bourne Bay.

So I just wanted to share some more about this project.

So since 1978, the Division of Subsistence has been collecting wild food harvest and use data to contextualize and quantify these harvests. We do all sorts of different kinds of data collection, community baseline harvest studies, special topic research, harvest monitoring, traditional ecological knowledge. But all of our projects are partnerships and all the research we conduct is completely voluntary and all data are anonymous.

So for this project, we're working on a multi-year a subsistence harvest survey, and the reason for this is because the subsistence data has not been collected in Craig for nearly 30 years, and there has been some recurring resident sentiment about not getting deer that people need. So we want a better understanding of how people are actually harvesting and reporting harvests. And especially because of the recent Ketchikan Rural Determination, this is an important time to collect updated data.

So for this project, there are a few main components. We have comprehensive household surveys, these long surveys, where we'll be doing a random sample of 128 households here in Craig. And we'll document subsistence— we'll document all harvests for the 2026 year. And for all of our projects, we hire local research assistants, so we hire people here in the community to work with us, help us conduct these surveys and logistics. And then there will also be a mapping component to this project.

So while we are collecting harvest data, we also ask about general harvest locations and mark that down as well. And then we will have some longer form ethnographic interviews. I mean, we like to interview people who have been in the community for a long time and can speak to changes to subsistence harvest across time. And in addition to this first year, this comprehensive longer survey, we'll be coming back for the next 2 years to do follow-up surveys specifically on large land mammals.

This is an example of what the data we produce look like. Um, so this figure here is from this data list from 2023, and the blue bars show use, orange attempted harvest, and the green show harvest. So we break down by resource category And this is a cool figure because you can see that the use for all resources is greater than the harvest or attempted harvest. So what this is documenting is sharing within a community.

And then we also collect resource-specific data. So for example, this figure on the left shows the harvest composition. This is also for the Stavis in 2023. So this is by edible weight. You can see the over half fish, then largely mammals, and smaller portions of the others.

And then you can look also at resource-specific, so this is the harvest composition by salmon for the community. And so this is something that these surveys collect, as well as demographic data, food security, and employment information. This is what a map will look like. Um, for all our mapping data, it's aggregated at a community level, and we only publish data, um, for resource categories where there's more than 3 households using that resource. So this is from Gustavus in 2023 for all the search and harvest areas for all resource categories.

So this map is showing where the whole community went, not necessarily where they were successfully harvesting, but where they were trying to harvest. And this can be really important for, you know, development projects and understanding actual current use areas for subsistence, and as well as in the boards process if you're interested in a closure or just demonstrating where people actually are using. Eris from Lewis.

So we can't do any of our projects without the investment of the community and their interest. So it's really important for us to create partnerships, to hire locals who are interested in subsistence. Our positions are incredibly flexible. We like to work with people when they're available and when the community is available. And for all of our data, we will do a community data review.

So once we collect the survey data, we'll schedule a meeting that's open to the public to come to see what we collected and to hear their feedback. For all of our interview transcripts, we send them back to the participants for their review before anything is published. And, um, again, everything is voluntary. Our data are anonymous and everything is confidential.

So the general schedule for this project, right now we're working on outreach, community composition, and preparation for fieldwork. And then we plan to come back this February for surveys. We'll be here for maybe about 2 weeks, and then we'll start analysis, and then again do those follow-up community review meetings, and then the subsequent 2 years large land animal surveys.

And then there will be 2 technical reports published with this data.

So next steps, I'm working to finalize the dates for our survey efforts, so if there's any conflicts that you should be aware of a bad time to come. Nothing's set in stone quite yet. I'm also working on compiling a household list, so I'm— the last couple days I've just been driving around and taking notes about like, oh, this structure's abandoned, and things like that, to try and figure out all the dwellings in the community, and then we'll get a random sample from that. Working on hiring local research assistants, so I have some flyers to leave behind if anyone's interested in working with us. And then just sharing information that the survey is happening.

If we knock on your door, we're nice, we're interested in subsistence, we're not trying to sell you anything, and we're not enforcement.

So yeah, happy to answer any questions, but that's the overview. And again, I'm Emily. There's my contact information. Molly will be working with me on this project. She hurt her back pretty bad, so she's not here right now, but she wishes she could be.

Um, we also intended to have a community meeting this week, um, but postponed that, and I think we'll have that in November. So, well, thank you for taking time to share that with us.

Yeah, we used to have an access management program here on the island that we correlated with the Forest Service and the other entities, and a lot of it derived off of our traditional use and our foraging. And we haven't had that for probably 10 years now. And so they actually put it out to all the different entities on the island and say, you talk about road closures, and if you had an area that you still subsistence on that you want to keep open, then that's where you take it to. You tell them that, hey, we still, you know, we're picking berries, we hunt, we fish this area, to keep it open.

Um, the Forest Service has done that several years. We got a lot of roads that have closed out themselves. We're supposed to have like 1,300 70 miles of road on the island, but we haven't had a survey on how many accessible road miles to the people on Prince of Wales actually are now. So yeah, I get permit requests like 3 times a week, and you know, a lot of Southeast data is out of date, but we're trying to— yeah, we're trying to have information.

Thank you.

Delicious. I didn't even want to look at it, I had to cover it.

All right, any more comments?

Council. All right, unfinished business. I'm going to throw the two flyers that we got on here. Um, one is a bench from the high school shop teacher. He stopped in, talked to me and Maury this week and asked if we had a design, um, that they might be able to look at building for the city.

We would purchase the materials, the class would build them. I like the top right. So do I. Yeah, that's fine. Did everybody say top right? Yeah.

What about if we ask the businesses if they could, um, sponsor one and then they get their little name put on it somewhere? If people wanted to buy them? Yeah, yeah, I think, um, he's looking for all different avenues, especially on how to I mean, yeah, this is a great opportunity for the kids as well as the community. Well, we're excited for the high school to have a shop teacher in there teaching them. And just see if we can figure out how much the materials are so we could offer it for—.

Well, for the ones for the city that we're going to do, he will give us a— we'll decide on the materials. That's going to dictate the price. You know, we kind of talked about cedar. You know, we live here. Cedar's, uh, easy stained, easy to maintain, easy to replace.

Um, and then they'll come up with material list, we'll bring it to the council, allocate the funds, and then, um, we'll start out with benches.

Do we only want to go with Item B, or do you want to have a second choice just in case, so you can look at two cost proposals?

Just like B? Okay, well Yeah, there was a comment about not having arms on, on the side of them. So Option C and B, it would just be as they're building them, we'd give them like, hey man, we want like 3 of the ones with no arms and 5 of the ones with arms. Um, it's not going to be a huge cost difference looking at the design, but it will give us, uh, having to have different bridges.

Now we're thinking of the patrol, you know, which was the sponsorship. Maybe we get more. So yeah, sponsorships is a great idea, and that would be able to go to the— fund the school's class as well. So, and they are able to use their laser engraver to put the logo online. So if a business wants to sponsor one, we can maybe put that business's logo options.

Maybe we ought to have the city design on one of them. Sure, they're not going to cut out the boat and everything, but then it'll start getting businesses saying, hey, we want one of those too. Yeah, perfect, right?

So Chair B, perfect. And the other one was a donation request. Um, for basketball, um, do I have a suggestion of moving this to the next— putting on for the next game so we know what we have for donations? Yes, please. Perfect.

Put that on correspondence on the next meeting. Open for council comments. Can we change the meeting time?

2 What? 7? You say 7? 5? 30?

6?

A bargain. I don't know, I'm gonna say—. I think we're supposed to start working in Heidelberg.

Looks like they're gonna be reviewing the radio.

I can do 6. Okay, that would be great.

Yeah, so let's, um, instead of making the decision to change the meeting time right now, let's put that on our next agenda so we can get that out to the community. So they can write it right into this little thing. Yeah, yeah, first work session. That way at least the public knows that we're not changing the time to keep people from coming to the meetings. So if they have comments on the time change, I think the earlier the better anyways, especially in wintertime.

People showing up, once you get home you don't want to go anywhere. Now the only thing that I just remember Jim C saying is if you have an earlier meeting, you disenfranchise everybody that has gone home with their kids from school, dinner, and then if it's too early, a lot of people can't be here. Yeah, that's the only, only thing.

Yeah, that's why I figured we'd put it out to the public. Okay, we might get its own ordinance. Yeah, we might get our own meeting on that one. Okay.

Yeah, in line with the subsistence issues, something, you know, I've brought this up a couple times before, but the Forest Service in the past, they don't do it, you know, like every year, but every few years they have something called an ADM when it's a review of, you know, accessible roads and what roads are important for subsistence and for things. And, you know, I've brought this up in the past and we haven't had one, and I don't think the forest has had one Forest Service has had one in quite a while, and I think that it falls right in line with the statistics stuff. I would like to— I think we should ask them to hold one. Can we keep it down for a minute, please?

I think we should ask Forest Service to schedule an ADM meeting for, you know, discussion, island-wide meeting for discussion of road access utilization. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I brought up I mentioned it to the ranger there one day in passing, uh, that we, uh, there's things that haven't happened in several years and they're still trying to— they even offered to open up their office for a vendor to sell their stuff out of so they could have a staff member in their front office because they've still not been able to staff their office. And they have a lot of people coming into their facility asking for maps and stuff like that. And they haven't been able to, to staff the facility.

So the facility's not open except for no workers. Um, and that is another point, actually. I would— besides asking for an ADM, uh, that reminds me of something. I am really frustrated that they can't staff that office, and it's not their fault. I think we should be sending a letter to our delegation asking that there has to be at least one person in that office during regular business hours.

I mean, it's the district ranger station for the island. And I think that, you know, we need to elevate that. There's a—. Again, it's not— I'm not criticizing the locals. They're just doing what they're directed to do.

Is it a budget thing, or do you know why it's right now? It's probably— their budget is an excuse, I'm guessing. But, uh, for the size and the activity, the amount of stuff that goes on here, and the need that people have for services from the Forest Service, they should have one person staffing that office. Yeah, what was the excuse? They don't have a receptionist?

That's what I had a couple years ago. Yes, they haven't had anybody in the front entryway. I, I had to call, make an appointment, call when I got in, and we had our meeting in the front office of double doors. And that was when they put it out there like, if you know anybody, visitors who want to take over our— I'm like, wow, that's, that's a crazy ask. There should be— they should have that office available for public service.

I think that, you know, a letter to our delegation copying the forest supervisor for Tongass is appropriate. I'm sorry, I, I know that there was loud talking at the back and I've listened back to these meetings in the past. Mike, can you restate what you're— I don't even know what you guys are talking about because I could not hear you over the people in the back. I think that the City of Craig should request to the Forest Service, to our district ranger and our regional forester and our delegation, our congressional delegation, that we believe that it is an imperative to have the Craig, the Prince of Wales Forest Service office staffed during normal business hours.

And, you know, receptionist up there, you go up there to get a free use permit, you have to call, phones don't answer, people don't answer phones. I mean, it's really frustrating. You know, other permits and stuff or other access information you're looking for. And, you know, they haven't had that office open now in 2 or 3 years. I find it frustrating.

Did you hear about the whole road?

And oh, then the ADM. Oh, that's— yeah, so the ADM is the first thing I was asking for. What, Kasey? Can you tell what does that acronym stand for? I know it means Access Management. Oh, Zoe's Access Management Plans.

I don't know what the ADM— I haven't heard the ADM acronym until now. Oh yeah, that's kind of what they— that's the acronym from Forest Service when they talk about what roads are open, what roads are closed, and how they manage that. That's their acronym, and I can never remember what the last one is. But anyways, yeah. They do, you know, they've had these meetings in the past where they've given the public the ability to weigh in what roads are important.

They were going to close the upper Steelhead Road going way up the hill there one time, and people use that for winter recreation, skiing, snowmobiling, hunting, woodcutting. Yeah, we got that stopped. And those kinds of things are important. Yeah, we should discuss them once every 3 or 4 years. Absolutely.

Would that maybe be something you guys would do in a workshop meeting, or do you want that on regular? There would be, it'd be several different venues on that one. It'd be, they're gonna end up having a public meeting about it. It would be good to bring in all of the other entities on the island. It'd be great to have a Paukak discussion about that as well, because when they first did this, they sent it out 7 years in advance to all all the tribes and entities on the island, and they had a schedule of the time that they were actually going to start closing the roads, and everybody was able to gather all the information of the roads that they wanted open.

A lot of the roads are really expensive to keep open— slides, so on and so forth— so they can't afford to keep them open. Well, do you guys want to give some money to keep this road open and help us maintain it? Um, and then you understand why the road's not getting— it's gonna remain open. But one of the big important parts was We have delegated access miles that we have on the island, and we don't have those miles anymore. Back then, they took 40 miles over there for the mine, the— in, um, El Capitan, put a gate across the road.

Those were 40 miles of our access management miles. With the roadless rule, you water bar every mile of road that is built. You water bar a mile of road. So all the new roads are getting closed out as soon as they're getting built. And our access management is supposed to be 1,300 miles.

We're probably down to 800 miles. That have been back then. The Forest Service couldn't actually even go out and locate the roads because they were new, and they actually asked the ATV crew to go out there and actually post signs on four-wheeler roads, walkable roads, and trails. Because— and so— and that was 10 years ago when I was in, you know, almost 11 years ago. So there's been a lot of roads that have closed themselves out, and the access management for the island is— we used to have 3,000 miles of road.

You know, they're maintaining about 700 miles of road on a 3-year basis with their roadside brushers. So that'll kind of give you a kind of an idea of what they're, what they're doing on the Forest Service side of things. But like, there's an ADM, which is Analysis and Decision Making, but then it also get into an Environmental Analysis and Decision, and it talks more about deforestation and as opposed to sustainability.

And Richard was— he came to those meetings all the time because he was actually involved in water barring a lot of the roads. And he— it was funny because he did them for Toyotas to be able to get in and out of, and it was a safety thing. And there's a lot of roads, and when it was brought up, because a lot of the way the water roads are water barred is so they're not accessible at all, and, um, you know So he was, he, yeah, he was at quite a few of those meetings back, you know, 10, 12 years ago.

My request on ADM would simply to ask the Forest Service to hold the meeting. Is that fair? Appropriate? Yes. Yeah.