Kenai: 10/13/26 Beautification Meeting and Work Session

I'd like to call this October 13, 2026, Beatification Commission meeting to order. If you are able, please rise and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Maybe have the roll call, please.

Urszly. Present. Hoffert. Carlson. Present.

Dossett. Present. Powell.

Wallace. Present. You have a quorum.

Is there a motion to approve the agenda as presented?

I motion to approve.

And a second? Second. Are there any revisions to the agenda?

Are there any objections to approving the agenda as presented? Hearing none, the agenda is approved. We have no scheduled public comments. Are there any members from the public who wish to speak on any item appearing on the agenda? Not on the agenda.

Are there any remote attendees that wish to speak?

May I have a motion to approve the September 8, 2026 meeting minutes? I motion to approve the minutes. Second. I second. Are there any revisions to the minutes?

Are there any objections to approving the minutes? Hearing no objections, the minutes are approved. We do not have any unfinished business tonight. Uh, new business. May I have a motion to recommend the approval of the capital improvement plan priority list?

I make a motion to, um, approve the fiscal year 2028 through fiscal year 2032 capital improvement plan priority list.

And I second. Great, thank you. Uh, Tyler, do you have a staff report on this? Yep, uh, we kind of went over this at our last meeting. Uh, we had one plan, a couple things that have just shifted around.

It's just one like live project, uh, is we took back our relocation of Parks and Rec to Dobbins Beck. Design was in FY28 and we kicked that back to FY29 because there's just Again, that's a design, and then the estimated cost is $3 million, and that's kind of lived on this plan for a few years, but there isn't funding specifically identified to fund that full project yet. So having a design isn't quite pressing yet. But then we took that— what we did is we took outdoor racket sport court because we are working with multiple outside groups to possibly do a pickleball or tennis court of some sorts at one of the schools, as we discussed in the last meeting, where we could renovate the court And what we've done is when you go through the formal CIP plan, you'll see city funding and grant funding or outside funding as two different categories. So why that number?

So we moved $150,000 from FY28 to FY29, and we moved in $300,000. But when you see the final rendition of the plan, when that gets presented to council, you'll probably see that broken up from $150,000 funded by the city and then $150,000 funded from outside. Funding. Um, and then the relocation of the Parks and Rec design didn't have any outside funding allocated for it. So really, we— what we're, we're asking for the same amount of number even though that number is double.

Uh, that's the big change from what you saw that I presented at the last meeting. Um, everything else has stayed the same, uh, besides— oh, I take that back. Also, multipurpose locker room renovation design that is supported by our master plan was added in for FY30. Our master plan has identified our aging locker rooms at the multipurpose facility, so we wanted to plug in a plan to get those renovated and redone. So those are the only additions.

Everything else has relatively stayed the same where it is. Again, this is a living document, living, living plan, but the biggest goal I think is for this is to see this support our Parks and Rec master plan. And as things come up in the community, as we've got some outside user groups that want to try to find some outside funding to renovate sport courts. Which is also supported by our master plan, as in the one area we were lacking in national standards, uh, was outdoor pickleball courts. That is the one thing we did not meet the national standard on via our master plan.

So, all right, I'm— I'll happily answer any questions if you guys have any. All right, commission discussion. Any questions on what was presented today or the changes on this CIP plan.

I have a question. The Old Town playground replacement, um, I noticed that there's been a call for funding on like social media and such like that. I saw recently there was something, and I was wondering, like, is this is a multi— like, like multiple people are involved in this process, right, in the Old Town replacement Playground replacement?

I have seen news articles that have talked about it. I haven't seen a call for funding. Or, I mean, it was referring to funding of some sort, like seeking funding and things like that. Yep. So it went forth to our Parks and City Council— our Parks Commission to our City Council Commission to approve seeking funding through Land and Water Conservation funds.

Is that what it was? Yes. Okay, I just saw a blip. I didn't take the time to read, so I thought you might have a quick answer. Yeah, I think so.

We had to seek, uh, like, council's, uh, permission to seek the funding. And then when—. If we get the funding, which would be great, then we would also have to go and say, hey, we want to appropriate this funding as well. Uh, we're probably also going to seek other outside funding as opportunities come there. Is this the whole project or no?

That's the whole project, yeah. So there's—. If you get funding from other sources, that number would go down? Yes. Okay.

Well, no, sorry, that, that is the whole project. In the final plan, there'll be a split where you'll see what the city would contribute and what we'd hope to get from outside funding. Okay, thank you. Oh, I'm sorry. Uh, any other questions?

Or discussion? No?

Okay, well, I will call for a vote on the main motion, um, unless we want to request unanimous consent. I'll request unanimous consent.

Are there any objections to unanimous consent? No? Okay, then this motion moves forward.

Director Best, do you have a report for us?

All right. Uh, I attached my mid-month report from August in here. Uh, it just goes over kind of what we do jumping into August. Uh, again, I always like these mid-month reports. We submit them to council.

I just submitted my mid-month report for September to council yesterday. Uh, it's kind of always back a little bit, but all department heads will submit these for the second meeting for every month, and it gives a really good snapshot of what's going on in the in the city, like Public Works will kind of give updates on capital projects, police has one, library has one, so we all kind of, it gives you just kind of a quick one-page snapshot what's going on in all the departments. What I kind of talked about was August 1st, what we go into right away is pickup mode from the dip net fishery. We comb the beach with our tractor, we picked up over 10 pounds of nails and other miscellaneous metal off the beach, and then we also kind of pile up the fish for the tide to take it out. And then a couple weeks into August, there's the Industry Days.

That is a community group that park sits on. It celebrates oil, gas, tourism, and healthcare in the community. And it's a 100% free event. There's salmon cooked, there's burgers cooked. A lot of different people come and have participation at our green strip.

And it just, it's always kind of a popping day. Walmart donates a bunch of bicycles. There's face painting. It's just, you know, Industry Days used to be a floating one that went around the peninsula, and then it made a home in Kenai. So, but that's always fun.

We support that. We help set up some tents and some tables and just help out there. But very fun day in August in the community. And then after, come Labor Day, we switch over to our winter hours at the rec center. So throughout the summer, we are Monday through Saturday, 6:30 AM to 9:30 PM.

Come winter hours, we are— we open Sunday from 11 AM to 5 PM. So we are officially open on Sundays. It's not in the report, but I will just mention it. Next Monday will be closed for the observed Alaska Day, which is a city holiday. And then we have Kenai Rec Center visits, month of July.

We just did our door counter log. We've been kind of playing with this, and I think this report will see some evolutions on how we count as we implement our new recreation software at the rec center. And I'm happy to answer any questions.

I do have a question. So with the door counter, because I've been in the rec center a few times, because I know we usually have to go and sign in, how are you using that as like collateral to verify the numbers on here?

So those numbers don't always match. Uh, the sign-in is to kind of track our We can kind of hold it to audit our financial report and everything, but one thing you'll get with like a door counter log is a more true estimation. It's usually higher than our sign-ins. Okay. Because we'll have things like when we have, say, like a City League basketball game, we'll have a bunch of family members that come and watch and they don't sign in.

Uh, tot time, we'll just have a— the parent sign in and there could be up to 2 or 3 kids in there, and the door counter will actually count all those bodies. So this is probably a more accurate depiction of the true traffic we get.

Just to comment on the, um, the logging, are you tracking that, um, like on an Excel spreadsheet for data and for grant applications? Yeah, uh, we usually have a number of different areas where we're keeping it. We haven't used it for anything specifically, but we have multiple Excel spreadsheets that show entry levels and everything there too. And that's why I also like this door counter log, because there's also, you know, maybe people sneak in, maybe people don't sign in when we're at the front.

No, I think those are all activated cameras now.

Yeah, so they bought those for during COVID You could see like there can only been 10 people in the gym and it counts entry and exits. We've left the one at the main entrance on.

And as far as differentiating, I think between the gym and weight room, I think that's how as we implement our new software, we may have different metrics 'Cause there used to be a gym fee and a weight room fee and a this fee, and with our new software we'll probably be able to report on that a lot easier and not, right now it's on a sheet and we count it and we put it on a spreadsheet. There's just more room I think for human error and like, you know, a game of telephone as we input it from our counting sheets and everything. So, and now we don't have a separate fee for gym versus the weight room. It's one fee. So we're starting to like, what are we gonna, what are we gonna report on?

Because I think I inherited those numbers that were there before, and I even— you'll see it in our budget narrative too. There's these certain metrics that we used to report on, like number of volunteer hours or number of programs, but it didn't really define what that was. So we actually added definitions below it. So I want to kind of see this report change to where we can define and be like like, "This is exactly what you're getting." Because I think if you said, "Hey, this is how many sign-ins we got at the gym," it'd be like, "Well, does that include, like, you know, a mom came and paid once and got 4 kids? That's 1 sign-in." So, just trying to see what we can do to get more accurate reporting.

I have a question but it's not based off of this, but I was just kind of curious, how did the Pumpkin Festival go?

Super good. No, it was a blast. It was pouring, pouring down rain all day. It was supposed to lighten up. It would for about 30 seconds, and then it poured down rain again.

I noticed, yeah. And one of our food vendors started running out of food. We ran out of apple cider twice because we went and bought some more. Sarah's husband here was helping serve it. And people got pumpkins.

I've never seen our playground slide move so fast. Little kids were ripping down of it and launching out of it. It's like the slowest slide, I think, in any playground I've ever seen on a dry day. Not on a rainy day, not on a heavy rainy day. Kids were launching out of it and loving it because of the adequate drop protection that we provide at our playgrounds.

But a couple new features we had this year too was we had horse rides or pony rides or little horse rides, little horses, little horse rides, which also had a chariot. That's how they kicked off the event, the little horse. I think it got everyone jazzed who was there because everyone was set up and then a little horse came with the family all through the event on a chariot and it was super fun. We had hayrides all day. There was almost a line the whole day for hayrides.

We had a pumpkin trebuchet. We set up a We got a trebuchet, which if you guys know what that is, it's a fancy catapult.

No, no, yeah, someone built it for us. Uh, Kyle. Yeah, I think he had that idea one year and I didn't know that that was coming true. Yeah, no, it's fantastic.

Uh, yeah, someone quoted me very verbatim and I think it was trebuchets were designed as an alternative to catapults. They can shoot further and more accurately. If I remember high school history correctly, Merrill Sikorsky quoted me directly on that, so I'm a little nervous that I got it wrong, but we did hit a very small scarecrow 3 times, I think, from like 100 feet. And we had some dialing in, but it was really fun. We didn't have participants launching it.

We did demonstrations, but once we got it dialed in, they thought it was pretty cool. And then Mayor Knackstedt dropped a pumpkin from between 60 and 90 feet up and hit a pool. There's a KSRM article that has a really good photo of the explosion. It's a really good explosion. I saw you were posting on social media that you were practicing the pumpkin drop.

And I was just like, "Oh, now I'm kind of curious to see how it went." Yeah, I'm basically an influencer now. That got over 5,000 views. I was really proud of myself for that. You have a success story. Security team.

Uh, I will also say, uh, Jenna suggested the day of that we embrace the rain, and I did another video where I played a Hilary Duff song, Down Come— what is it? Let the Rain Fall. And we have a family friend that said they were not gonna come, and this was echoed to my wife, but then I saw Tyler just calling me out with Hilary Duff, so I had to come. So we got at least one participant. Because of "Let the Rain Fall" by Hilary Duff, which I put in my background of my video.

So look out social media, here I come.

Oh, that was—.

Hit it. No, that was a really good—. So we've done the pumpkin painting, and you'll see pumpkin painting at other fall festivals and events, and it's always kind of like, messy thing for parents to then have to put into their vehicle. It doesn't dry very quickly throughout the event. So anyway, we tried this year acrylic paint sticks that are washable.

They dry pretty quickly and, uh, just really successful. Was the kids were able to get super into their designs. It didn't just turn into like one color mess. And so we got some really like cool like Frankenpumpkins and stuff like that that came out of They got to be super creative about it. It was fun.

Yeah, for our Walmart, and Missy helped out Walmart there volunteering, that station was more calm. It's usually like we're rinsing paintbrushes, trying— like, we're out of water, we need to go to the hose and get more water. And the paint sticks seemed like they worked really well. Yeah, I was surprised how many kids participated.

It was a lot of fun. Yeah, we do need more things like stickers and more markers and more towels because the pumpkins were pretty wet, so we had to dry them off before the kids could color on them. Another thing about the contest I wasn't too thrilled about was all the fancy pumpkins won. You know, little kids that can't draw very good didn't get a chance, you know. So those pumpkins, the, the ones that I guess would be fancy, those we advertise that pumpkin contest for weeks beforehand.

So a lot of those like more intricate pumpkins, it's because, because it's, it's 5 age groups, right? So it's divided into 5 age groups, so it's by age group, but these those pumpkins are— they've been working on them for days at home. They bring them to the, to the event in their own, like, box protected from the rain. And so we get a lot of really creative entries that have been, you know, doubted on, or, you know, they've been working on them for days, then they bring them in. And then this year we did a winner in each category, a runner-up in each category, and then we also had, like, I think it was like 15 different ribbons that were just like silliest pumpkin, spookiest pumpkin, most fun, most glitzy pumpkin.

So we had a lot more prizes and just acknowledgement than I think we've ever— we used to just do 4 ribbons, 4 winners, and that was it. So we've really kind of beefed up making sure that a lot of different people get acknowledged for their pumpkins. But you probably saw a lot of the Walmart pumpkins. That go right over and then get entered. So everyone does have— that's free entry.

We bring pumpkins over to the library so they can pick them up, and the library does a decorating day too. So just for accessibility too, like everyone has a really good chance if they want to spend a little more time on it and everything. We try to—.

Would also like to give Jenna a lot of props. She I talked up my own influence, but Jenna was showing me all the stats from all of our Pumpkin Festival. And I think this thing is just getting built up in the algorithm because of how much she's been posting and how well she's been tagging people. Because I think Facebook also notifies us, like, you're out of your metric growing.

Yeah, so—. Awesome. Yeah, I think this event has really gotten out there. And it's become a really cool thing in Kenai.

That's great news. Anybody else? Brittany, thanks for joining us. Did you want to say anything or have any questions?

Thanks, Sarah. Um, just, I attended the Pumpkin Festival as a participant this year, and as someone who wasn't volunteering, it was a lot of fun. Um, I had a couple friends that had little kiddos. Um, And they all seem to really enjoy it. And pumpkins are always such a treat.

And my little guy's eating, so I create or pureed that pumpkin. So it's a gift that kept giving. But yeah, you guys do a great job, Tyler and Jenna, and all your teams. So keep up the good work. It's very— I'm glad it's getting recognized because it's very well deserved.

Thank you.

Excellent. All right, does that include— conclude your report? Yes. Okay, perfect. So, um, my report would be that I did attend the Pumpkin Festival for just a few minutes, um, got some lunch, checked in with my family who, um, like Tyler said, was volunteering there, got some snapshots of some fun activities.

But there were a lot of people there, and one of my co-workers even said that he was taking his mom to a shop in Kenai and just couldn't believe how many cars and how busy it looked for the weather being kind of terrible. Everybody really came out. So yeah, great work to your guys' team. Like, you guys really did a great job, and I'm so excited that this event is, is really growing and getting better every year. It sounds like especially even more prizes, and so great job.

So that concludes my report for this time. Council Member Petty is, uh, absent, so we do not have a report from City Council. Are there any members from the public who wish to admit, uh, address the committee at this time?

Is there anyone online remote that would like to speak?

All right, so our next meeting is scheduled for January 12th. 2027. Is there anybody that is planning to be absent or attend remotely?

I might be absent. That's kind of iffy because it's my fiancé's birthday that week. So, okay, but that's—. I'll make sure you guys are notified if I am. Great.

Okay, I should be able to attend. All right, all right. Individually, do we have any, uh, questions or comments?

Go ahead.

I'm curious about the plant list and, um, the decorations. Are we going to get to that? Yeah, so right now this is the regular meeting. Um, following this, we'll go right into to a work session and then we'll cover that. So we'll actually adjourn this meeting and then go into the work session.

I wanted to comment on the Pumpkin Festival that I really— it was neat to see so many people out dressed appropriately for the weather and the laughter and the kids running amok. And it really—. The fest—. It's grown so much and I'm super proud of you and your staff for making that happen, um, which brought me to thinking of what else can the city of Kenai do. Um, I thought of like a winter festival activity to include sleigh rides, um, as something that we could do late winter, you know, offsetting maybe the city of Saldana's events.

So just a suggestion.

I will say this, this has been a topic of discussion since I've started at the city. And, uh, oh, Brittany is raising her hand.

You can go ahead, Brittany. Sorry, I was just gonna add that I love that idea, Sonia. That's a great idea. Um, And then, uh, before we switch gears about the Punk Festival, um, there was a lot of cars parked on that road, which that wasn't the case last year. Um, I think it kind of causes a safety concern.

Maybe next year we won't have people—. If—. I don't know what you guys thought about that, but, um, having them park right next to the event, it made it really difficult to be able to walk across the road. And that's just my experience, but I was going to tag, um, Tag on to Sonya's idea. That's a really good idea.

Used to do movies in the park in the winter. So I think sleigh rides would be a really cool, um, Kenai thing.

All right. No, as I was saying, that's been a topic a couple of times in a couple of different budget sessions, and why I love that. We are probably maxed on our programs and our events where if there was an outside group that came in, we could probably support them like we do at the Fourth of July. Like, we aren't programming that, but we help set up trash cans and everything. But as far as like home, home-produced events, we don't probably have the resources to support doing something new as like that big.

But if a group wanted to do something, we would try to meet with them and support them as much as we could.

Perhaps that's something that we could advocate with City Council to add to that budget, or are you saying that you don't have enough staff resources? I think, uh, staffing and, and budget would be a factor in there. Okay. All right, well, we could still do some advocating, I think. So, great ideas.

Anyone else?

All right, well, seeing no further business before this body, we are adjourned at 6:29.

I'd like to call the October 13th, 2026 Beautification Commission work session to order, and I'd like to introduce, uh, Director Best.

Oh, hi.

I think in this meeting we have a bunch of our stuff spelled out in the next section, so I'm just going to just go on to commission discussion, and that's where I have some memos and stuff and we can talk about things. So, all right, first on the docket is open discussion about the light Decor Decorations in Kenai.

I'll give you guys a quick overview of this. Um, we got $50,000 to replace the streetlight poles specifically along the Kenai Spur Highway. Currently what we do is we have about 25 banners we put up and 25 poinsettia decorations right now that go along the spur. It includes both single and double poinsettias. These are tired.

I think we have stretched out the maintenance on them quite a bit. We've restrung some with some success. We've painted them with success, but you can only paint them so many times. Um, and then, so we're looking at trying to prioritize replacing the long ones along the Kenai Spur Highway. Um, so $50 grand.

Uh, I don't know the estimate on shipping, but if you look down below are some quotes we got on some different options there are out there. A double point setta is $1,700. A single point setta is $915. A French horn with a holy garland is $1,200. Uh, an 8-foot Phoenix red glitter mesh is $1,600.

An Orion red glitter mesh is $1,900. A Polaris red is $2,000. So usually we're looking around $1,000 to $2,000 per light. You know, I think we've talked about this a little bit. So I don't know if anyone did any looking online or any researching on seeing what options are out there.

So what I'm looking for here is suggestions and ideas. The other things I have to do is build out probably a request for a proposal or an invitation to bid. And I think you can go online and find different things, but sometimes there are metrics that could be like— that won't work on our light pole because X, Y, and Z. But I think there is some cool decorations out there. Uh, so yeah, I'd love to hear the commission's feedback.

I'll go first. I personally like the idea of the French horn, um, something completely different than we've had in the past. I think that the public would notice that the poinsettias were different, but we've had poinsettias before, right? So I feel like to really get the wow factor of something new, um, I think we should go with a different style. I like the French horn idea.

That's—. It's really neutral but very holiday themed. And, uh, yeah, so I love this. And to clarify, these are going to be ordered and installed in next winter season? Yes, yes.

If we release the RFP to today or the invitation to bid on this, it would be like a 30-day process, and then we have to order them and deliver them. So these will not be up for this winter, but for next winter, unless there's a crazy delay, but I think they're usually pretty on the ball there.

Is it appropriate for me to look them up on my phone so that way I can see as a reference Look them up. Look up French horn with like a holly leaves or holly garland street pole design and you'll get a good snapshot, I think. Holly. It's a different work session, so do we just do recordings or like online? Yeah, we should still record our audio since— and I think we're still— we livestream all work sessions on YouTube still.

Make sure we're making eye contact with students just to try and get more of them.

Oh. Mm-hmm.

What? I'm sorry. Oh, nothing. And again, I think this is also anything else you've seen in other places is open for a good discussion. Like French horn, I don't— I'll bring up our— I think one of the things I thought was cool about this project was I remember as a kid, I grew up in the middle of Solana when they updated all their lights.

I think it's still the same decor now, like a little toy soldier. Nutcracker. Nutcracker. There we go. There it is.

Thank you for that, sir.

But yeah, a nutcracker. I think they did a fish. I wouldn't go for copying, but I think there's some different options we have out there.

Brittany, please go ahead.

I really like candy cane ideas because that's red too, and I like the French horn because it is, like you're saying, it's neutral.

Yes, I do. I like those, those two. Very good choices.

I can second that. That was a really good idea.

I would guess it's just pattern, but I don't know without talking to, like, a light pole, like, vendor on it.

Do we have any snowflakes anywhere? Yeah, we have snowflakes up our— so we do lights between Tinker and lights and banners between Tinker and Forest on the highway, and then our most updated ones have been along our city right-of-ways where on Willow to the airport we do snowflakes.

It's a wild idea, but would it be possible to swap that this year just to mix it up and put the snowflakes on the highway and put the other ones on the city streets just to kind of mix it up?

Depending on the condition of the snowflakes, yes. We do have less snowflakes, so we have 20 snowflakes and shooting stars.

I thought we had 20. Yeah, so 20 snowflakes and shooting star decorations. So we don't have like 25 shooting stars or 25 to fully replace what's on the spur.

Yeah, we did get the shooting stars. We got, I guess, native— before, before me and Jenna's time, we got negative feedback on going up the airport. Did you put them up? Up last year? Yeah, along Airport Way is where the shooting stars go.

How many stars are there? Do you remember? I don't. They're up on a rack right now with the snowflakes. So a total of snowflakes and shooting stars is 20.

Okay, I just think that maybe, you know, we don't have to use the shooting stars. Maybe you could keep those on the on the DL and some other streets, but we could maybe if we even just alternate on the highway with snowflakes and poinsettias and just break it up a little bit. I just think it's my 17th year in Kenai and it feels like it's the exact same every single year. And there are a lot of things that I like to stay the same all the time, but I think it would be kind of fun to mix it up a little, do a little, a little shakeup down the highway. So since the snowflakes are illuminated and the— isn't there garland ones that aren't illuminated?

We could do every other one, one illuminated and then one non-illuminated. Aren't there the poinsettia, like, I think some of them are just broken, like a flag type of one? So we have banners, and then I think you're thinking of the poinsettias that look like garlands. And every year some do break, but we get—. Try to get the transformers repaired on the lights And then my only other suggestion would be maybe doing like an ornament where you can get different colored ornaments that have, um, sleighs or reindeers or snowflakes, and then they sprocket upwards, so they're— I think they're bigger, but they have different colored lighting.

And a dip net. Candy canes would go really well at Leif Hansen with our— yes, our desired lighting. Yes, our desired lighting theme of red and white.

Red and white. We wanted red and white lights only in Leif Hansen Park. This year, no multicolored, no solid green, just red and white. Like one tree red, one tree white, and then it will look like a candy cane forest as you drive by.

Cool. Yeah, I like that idea a lot. We've been talking about that for a while, so, um, that will be great to have a winter tour and see that vision come to life.

Anyone else have any tidbits?

No? All right, well, we'll take that feedback, and we've got it written down so that we can continue to work on this. Um, Tyler, do you need anything from us to move this forward. Uh, no, this is where I just wanted to talk to the commission because I think we added this to the capital improvement plan last year. It was one of those capital improvement plans that came from the Beautification Commission.

So I'll take kind of the notes from the meeting here and then kind of take those into consideration and build out a bid or an RFP to put forth. And I don't know when that will go out. We always coordinate with Public Works, but sometimes the next several months that will go out, and then hopefully we can get it all ordered, and next year we'll have a whole new setup. Great. So this will be something you could follow up with us in January to let us know kind of the result of how things went?

Yep. Great. All right, well, that brings us to open discussion about the 2027 flower order. And, um, some of you guys, I wasn't able to attend the tour in August but some, uh, commissioners did. And I look forward to hearing what you guys think worked well this year.

In my memo, you'll see roughly pictures, I think, of all the flowers we ordered. And, uh, throughout the year that you should recognize from being out and around, man, they probably looked the best they ever had in the month of September. I think things usually start dying a lot earlier. But yeah, open for really any discussion. I think the thing that we just look at is, you know, we've— we have a lot of experience with the flowers we've been ordering.

We've changed up a few things the last couple years. Uh, you know, one of the things we're battling is chickweed, but we really look at trying to get arrangements that are reduced maintenance and to still provide an attractive flower display throughout the city.

Uh, I know Missy provided a list of a bunch of different flowers here too that she may want to talk about.

I didn't give everybody a list, but here's my list. Well, I have one.

Yeah.

Now this is just some of the, um, my ideas, but I think these would look great. I mean, I'm not like— all the planners look so typical, they look the same. I want some different, you know. And these do pretty well. I've had quite a few of these in my yard and they're still blooming and I've never deadheaded.

So, and then next, last few pages, I have planners, plants for each planner. It doesn't mean every planner is going to be different. I'm just It's just a suggestion. So, so for those that don't know, Missy is working on becoming a Master Gardener. So she's been— spent a good amount of volunteer hours working on close to 40 in the city flower beds, tending to them and working towards the hours she needs for her certification as a Master Gardener.

So a lot of this list in her app, it comes from her efforts in being in the weeds and in the flowers in person and just her personal experience. So I'll say one thing I did after our meeting was I did build so we can have this because one thing I will probably do with this, and if anyone has any favorites on here, please bring it up. Because I'll say, even going back to the red and white list throughout Lee Phan Sen, I don't know if we can get it all candy cane, but I think we can slowly start shifting more red and white through there as we like buy different bundles every year with like our budget. But also with this, I don't know if I could say yes, I'm going to buy all these flowers. But there could be possibly a couple arrangements.

As you can see, we, we buy flats of 102 usually of plugs and stuff. And then I'd also go with Randy, who's been doing this for a long time. Sometimes he'll be like, oh man, that flower, we tried it in that planter, it did not work, but we don't have it noted. So we're starting to note it, but there might be a real— I think this is a great list, and I think there's a very good thing. I'd probably go through this list and look up all the pictures of the flowers and look at the arrangements we could do.

I may call you and then see like, okay, could we order these 6 and try it in like these 6 beds? So I think there's some— this is super comprehensive.

I really appreciate this and I'm excited about it because like Sarah said, I think— well, I think you had— we were doing a lot of the same things that worked for a long time, and then we tried a red, white, and blue, and the blue did not work at all. Well, I have, um, on the list, the, uh, the Blue Star Memorial red, white, blue plants on here. So, and that fits, that fits the theme really nicely. Yeah, but, uh, we had like the blue, like the— I forget what— where's Blue Star Memorial? Begonia winged, sky blue.

See, that's a different— we had a different style blue that did not— it was It was the hardiest rated flower out of the three, the red, white, and blue that came, and it was not hardy in our Kenai climate. What I discovered that year is our whites and our reds looked really nice popping and very Kenai-y, but I think some people thought that was intentional, but we had this blue plant just dying. So I like, thank you for adding different options of blue. Yeah. Too.

Yeah. But I think that's super intentional, and I really like that idea of like, hey, let's do red, white, and blue. And, you know, if we were going to order whatever, however many flats we do, because that seems like one of the more economical ways, we'll kind of do what some of the greenhouses do and we'll order the plugs, and then we'll start growing them from plugs and be like, okay, we liked red, white, and blue here. If we were gonna— I'm not— I don't know what we're doing. Yeah, I'm actually— this is pretty exciting, right?

But then let's see, we'll have an extra 60 Maybe we'll do red, white, and blue over here and kind of seeing what we can do for our mix-up. Yeah. Are there any other— I really like that intentional. Anyone else have any thoughts on this list? Because I'm loving the— I don't know what purple fountain glass is, but I'm genuinely really excited to start looking these up with Randy and like kind of looking at some of the stuff as we prepare the order.

Do you have any favorites on here, Missy? Well, I love plants that attract butterflies, and which we haven't had much this year, but, um, and long-blooming plants like, um, the hummingbird mint, Veronica, which is also called speedwell. Veronicas last a long time. Purple coneflowers, I love. There's different colors for that, but they kind of, they're kind of late blooming.

So when all, some of the flowers are getting ready to die, this is coming up, you know.

I love bee balm.

My bee balm, Grand Marshall, is still blooming or trying to, even though it had frosts. Catmint is great. All kinds of salvias, they're long-lasting, they're low maintenance. So yeah, I have so many more.

Since you seem to be the subject matter expert, I wonder if you could help Tyler and Kevin identify early bloom, late bloom bloom, any that change colors over the temperature through the season. And if you've— with your bed planning, if Tyler knows how picky I am about the short flowers and the medium flowers and then the, the height differentials, um, if you— when you planned them, did you take that into consideration too? I did. Excuse me. Sisi, I started writing how tall they get and wide, which I never finished.

And on the designs, on the planner designs, these have different heights and textures and colors that go well together.

So, and I think it's good to mention too the capacity of the greenhouse. Um, this is a long list, um, and to be able to prioritize, um, maximizing the capacity of the plugs when they go to the next pot. Well, that's what I like though, as long as they're like about like So what I like about this is there's a bunch of variety. And what I look forward to is going through this, I was gonna say with Randy and some other staff, and seeing what is there and then start plugging that in though. 'Cause like, hey, if we order a flat of, I'm gonna throw up, this is out of nowhere.

If we order a flat of Salvia Heatwave Breeze, the Mardania didma, pardon my cerise, the latrice, the goldenrod, the echinacea, and the lobelia. If we did that, if we ordered a flat of every one of those, how many planters would it fill? So maybe we may not be able to hit all these varieties as we go in there, but there may be a couple of these where it's like, if I order flats of all those, or it's like, yep, these look all hardy and good, and we're gonna do a flat of this and a flat of this, and and how we could spread it out. So I don't think capacity would be an issue, 'cause we'd be replacing, if you look in like my, on the memo, it will say like an order number. So, and a lot of these come in like 108 or 112 plug flats and stuff like that.

So it'd be like, okay, if we got 112 of every one of those, that would get 6 of our planters. And then if we did a different variety, that would get another 6. So yeah, we have the numbers, which is nice. And, and now we're starting a 5 again. Thank you for that suggestion, Missy.

Now we're even starting a list of— I think one year we were nervous to go all new just to see if things didn't make it. So there's always the chance like, oh, we'll go tried and true on these 4. And on these other 4, we're going to try a whole new arrangement. Like, I think we did that with the last couple of years. The probably one of the biggest mix-ups we had too is we did Nystersjøms in a couple of our planters.

Where they just— they took forever this year, but they eventually were overflowing and looking really good. But if we— so say I order— I'm just gonna say a number here.

Say instead of ordering the Bubblegum Pink 102, I I order the salvia, and then I could start shifting in other things we fill in there and say, you know, we have our, we have our diagrams, we have that. So I'd be like, if I order flats of those 5, I could do it in these 4 planters. So I, it would be some of me putting the pieces together and probably working with some of this list that you've given. But I'm really excited about a big change up. Like Sarah said, I think doing a flip around, like with decor and a new thing on the flowers, could be really exciting.

Yeah, and also depends on the size of these plants that, you know, you don't have to get so many of. But yeah, I've been working on that too.

But no, I'm— I think this is so comprehensive and it's going to be a lot to go through, and I'm really excited about it because I've been working off this plant list since I started with only a couple modifications. Besides our red, white, and blue year, which we just tried to do throughout the whole thing. So I'm excited to see some variation, and I'll probably be following up with you. And if you have any favorites, please let me know.

And I'm— yeah, just, it's— I'm looking forward to going through this and reading through it and seeing how I can kind of putting, like, how we order our flowers and putting all the pieces together. And if I have any questions, I will definitely give you a call on this too. Okay, well, I also sent you a link to my Plant Master. This is what software I use to— for clients, you know, all the plant lists, and they could go on there and they could look at all the different colors and they could read the information about it. But I don't know if you got it or not, or if it went through.

I checked that. I got this list, like you sent me this in an attachment, but I don't know if I got the link, but I will check on it and I'll respond to your Yeah, there's—. I'm just doing a quick search and looking at a few of these up, and they look like really interesting different new types of things, which is what I've been looking for. So thank you for all this hard work. Appreciate that.

Yeah, some of them it looks like there's, you know, kind of easy fixes. Like last time we ordered Mojo Dark Red geraniums and your suggestion is to get Global Root Rubies. So if those are available, that would be a fairly easy switch. I would hesitate that, like, we do have to make sure we stay in budget. If some of these are like exclusive and we need to— well, it's gonna cost 3 times as much, we do We want to try to get as many flowers as we can for bang for the buck on that.

But there's a lot of things that are really interesting on this list. Thank you. Glad to have you on board. Thank you. Also, when we do— if we do the adoption thing, adopting a bid, that would kind of help.

I mean, I adopted the two twins. Planters on the— what's it, what street is that? Lee Hanson. Yeah, and I'm providing my own money for those plants, which I have no problem of. So I, you know, if people could provide or bring plants, unless they have to be approved by the city, right?

Yeah, it's a great talking point to kind of talk about that and see if we can do that program. I wanted to mention that the night sky are still some of my favorites that we plant, so that's one that I would hope that we would still be utilizing.

Excuse me. I like the idea of using the creeping jennies. Those are so pretty. I love—. I use those at home.

Those are a nice filler for some baskets. I do love the nasturtiums. They, um, they tend to, um, mosquitoes don't like them, so it's nice to have them around, especially when you have them near doorways and buildings and things like that. So that's why we plant a lot of those at my house to keep to keep the mosquitoes from being around. And I saw that the— you were interested in doing the Leif Hanson Park sign.

I've done that one for 3 or 4 years now with my kids. And last— this last year, the city gave me this nice little piece of paper with this design, and I was like, pshh, and I did what I wanted. And I know that it was hard this year with the weed. Did you work on that bed? I think I heard—.

I did. What is it? Several others. Yeah, I'm just curious, your honest opinion of the layout, because I kind of did a wave design. Do you—.

Did it work at all, or did you have an opinion?

I'm sorry, what was that again? So I did a wave design with the flowers on that bed instead of clustering them around in circles. I kind of divided the bed up like this and did diagonal waves of the different types of flowers, and, and I was— I didn't get a chance to see it when it wasn't full of chickweed, so I was just curious if when you worked on it, if you could tell that that was kind of a design element, or if it didn't really work. Well, I didn't really work on it too much. I've worked on the bean and several others, but on that one, I think the chickweed killed a lot of the plants in there because it choked it.

Yeah, that's kind of what it is. Yeah, I think there was one side on— because there's like the, the bed, the bed— there was one section where you saw the wave design, and my thoughts was after we yanked a bunch of the chickweed was it looked— I thought it looked more presentable as you were driving by, like it was better for the drive-by as it— more than like if you were standing in in front of it. Yeah, which I kind of— I don't know if that was your intent. That was my intent. Oh, okay.

That was—. I do a lot of driving, so, um, I was really— and, and that bed, you may not— when you're walking in that park, you may not wander to that bed because there's not a lot of memorial trees around it or thing. You'd have to deliberately be like, I'm gonna walk towards the highway and look at these flowers versus other areas of the park, you're kind of walking along and looking at the memorials and things like that. So yeah, that was my intent, was I was hoping for more of a bigger impact as you drove by, because I see that one very visibly when I drive by it. It's real close to the road.

Well, that planter, uh, it needs taller plants, but not tall to where it hides the sign. And I did trim the one on the other side. Yeah, so you can see the bushes that are getting so overgrown that it's hiding the sign, and I'm not even sure that I like the bushes anymore. I'm not even sure they should be there. They're looking kind of sad, and I noticed when I was planting, I was like, we should maybe just get rid of these aging bushes.

Should have done that on plant day. Do you have anything? Um, the only thing I don't know on the bushes is it's I'd have to go look at it because it does overgrow on the sign and we do have to cut it back, and that can be something we miss, but I don't think it would— I don't have a hard opinion. We could always—.

It just blocks the sign. The sign would do the same thing. Yeah, no, I agree. Most of the time blocks the sun. Yeah, I don't, I, that's an interesting idea, but I don't think it does.

I think it just kind of hides the sign. Probably soaks up a lot of nutrients from that bed as well. I know this is so off topic, but it would've been hilarious if you had just told me I ripped out a bush during plant day, 'cause I wanted my flowers just to be my flowers in there. But sorry, no, but I— No, I think there's, I think there's a couple bushes that we even have in some of our planters that have overgrown. And I think the intent was also sometimes the intent of the kale that we've reduced through some of our flower beds and everything where it's like, oh, here's like a centerpiece.

And I like, I like the rocks as a centerpiece. I think they're simple and they add another element as the plants are growing up. I know a lot of people like our metal fish. If those get cleaned up a little bit, as kind of a centerpiece element too.

Speaking of the metal fish, do you, do you have any plans of potentially just bringing those babies into the shop for the winter to try to play with them and see if they're salvageable instead of leaving them out? Typically, that is part of our spring checklist is we will try to pull them so they don't get beat up by snowplows. Okay, and then we have a place we put them. Maybe you could put them in the shop and play with them and see if you can get them to look nicer. A little cleanup?

Yeah, like a little spray paint or something. A little Rusty's bumper oil. I don't know.

Is that Cars? Yeah, my son watched Cars about 60 billion times the first 5 years of his life, so he's a— and now he's a mechanic. Um, so yeah, uh, any other thoughts on the flower list?

Zed, thank you. I'm very excited to go through this. Good. And if you, um, I did get— I responded to your email. If anyone's curious about the link that Missy sent me, I'm happy to share that too if you shoot me an email.

Okay.

All righty.

Will we get a chance to look over these layouts one more time before planting days in June? Can that be something that we discuss since that can be kind of modified when the— once we have, especially if we're going to be integrating new flower ideas? I think it would be good to talk about this again in, you know, January, February with what we ordered and what a you know, any new designs in these beds could look like. They talk about the layout before we have our planting day. I think that tracks.

Yeah, great. Please, when we— when I call you on January 1st to build out our agenda, I will probably be listening to this meeting as I build it out. But I think, like, I forgot about the murals in our last conversation, so that was a good reminder in there. But it's not an action item for a meeting. I think I think it would fall into more of a work session.

Yep, which we, uh, I think this was a really kind of free-flowy, don't have to do any official anything where we could, you know, if we did it just like this following our meeting, we'll fall right into a work session. Perfect. Also, I'm sorry, I forgot to mention, what about getting seeds and planting up and growing them in the greenhouse?

Our greenhouse— so we do that with a couple. We do it with our nasturtiums and we do them with our pansies.

We— and it is tight with the weather, with the weather and our greenhouse capabilities. One thing that we did to help us even was we built a second greenhouse that doesn't have a heater, but as our plants grow grow up. Uh, like our— we have square planters that we put out, and in the last 2 years, those have done better than they have ever done before. Because we used to put those on a trailer and park them in our shop, and on sunny days, we'd back it out when it was like 40 out so they'd get sunlight, and we'd pull it into our shop. Getting this second greenhouse has allowed us to kind of move our bigger plants over to the left and grow them out.

But starting more from seed, we may not have the capability in our shop and as we're going through other operations like with grow lights and everything. But I think nasturtiums, the pansies, the Delta pansies, the cardoons, and kale are 4 things we've gotten seeds of before.

And those are ones that just— that have seemed like we've been able to manage and take care of as they grow.

I know we, my husband and I, have always planted seeds and we generally plant them in like February and we leave them in our living room, dining room for months. And then depending on the weather, you know, sometimes we just never, they just never bloom. So this last year we both threw in the towel and we didn't grow anything for the first time. Ever, and we were just tired. And it was like, you know, so it's such a challenge, and I know you guys do such a really good job of making do with the resources and the space you have and the weather and Alaska and the sunlight, or lack of sometimes.

So, um, so thank you for everything you're doing. And yeah, I think this is going to be a great year. We're going to come up with some really great new options, and appreciate that. So I'm really excited to I'm gonna say kind of have our, like, our logistics of ordering a flower and how I can try to take some of these and put the puzzle together. And if I have any questions, I'll definitely give you a call.

Yep. You know, Tyler, I grew a ton of Amazon petunias from seed in my kitchen and had to retire them because it was getting cold, but they didn't want to die.

And the seed bag was like $15. Nice. I feel like there's a lot of stuff you can grow from seed, but I think the capacity, the limitations are going to be that greenhouse size. Yeah, the greenhouse, and then even with our like shop and we open garage doors and everything. You have a pretty big office though.

Turn me and Jenna's office into a greenhouse. Yeah, I think you could. Yeah, you could like just hang, suspend from the ceiling tiles, like, okay, anyway. All right, well, on to the next unless anyone has any final comments. Brittany, did you have any final comments?

I did not. Thanks for asking, sir. Okay, perfect. Um, so we were going to talk about the park mural now. And so this was something that I had brought up to Tyler when we were discussing the, um, agendas, and I said, well, I think we should have an update on kind of what we're looking at with possibly starting to get murals in the city.

All right, so a mural would probably fall under a special project, which is under $35,000. I wanna say it was a little over a year ago, the art, Kena Arts Center. Kena Arts Center. Yeah, the Kena Arts Center president, I think she's the president, Sandra Lewis actually got me in contact with someone and they gave me some rough numbers and said they could work on some designs, but they were like leaving the country for 6 or 8 weeks. And then the summer happened and then I never followed up.

Since Sarah's comment, I have left them a voicemail.

To reach back out. And my hope would be to have a good update come the January meeting. But I'm planning on reaching out to Sandra Lewis, who gave me their contact info before, and tracking this person down and coming up with some ideas what we could do on a couple different, like, locations that we've talked about as a group. Because we've talked about around at the rec center, the green strip, and the MPF were kind of big ones and easy ones that had dead space and dead walls to work with. But what I would need to get is— what I got from my last conversation from them, there are— you can do, depending on your surface, you can do a mural right on it.

I'm going to use an example of the entrance of the Nokisi Rec Center. They kind of have like a mural on the beginning of their building. And then you have like Soldotna Creek Park at the bathroom where they— it's really just like a board that they paint a big mural on, then you can affix it stick to something if it's a really porous surface. And I know a lot of people have brought up like, oh, vandalism, XYZ. I will say, as a former employee of Salt Lake City Parks and Recreation, whose job every day for an entire summer was to clean those bathrooms, the inside of the bathrooms got vandalized quite a bit.

The outside never did. It was like so pretty, people didn't want to vandalize it. One side also had cameras. Don't know if that helped. The bathrooms also, I've seen multiple videos of someone vandalizing the front of the bathrooms that had a camera and someone like stared at the camera.

They vandalized it. Yeah. But what I want to get is I want to get some like hard numbers from her and then some size dimensions of what that artist thinks is possible. Now, we always have to go through a public process and I think I'd have to follow that But it sounds like it's kind of a niche thing to do around locally. So, and yes, Brittany.

Um, I think the last time we had this discussion about the murals, uh, we were talking about possibly the skate— this ice rink too. Yeah, I said the— sorry, I mentioned the MPF. That is the ice rink. Okay. All right.

Yeah. Yes, but no. Yeah, I think, yeah, I had those 3 locations kind of stuck out for what would be a good area, and then you could have some fun, like Missy noted, with having like red, white, and blue. Maybe at the ice rink there could be fun, something fun with ice skating. And, you know, I think you could kind of follow, you know, some another more central location.

You could have a fish and a fishing pole. I don't, I don't know. I'm just throwing out ideas. I think this is our conversation if we have, but I would love to get like sizes and some ideas to share with the commission. But this, getting this on the agenda kind of reignited that focus for me to reach back out to the artists and collect this information.

I was hoping I'd have a little more, but they haven't called me back yet. And this is one of our—.

I believe so. Yes, go ahead, Brittany. Um, speaking about murals, uh, this— I don't know if this would be the same person to reach out to, but for, um, the concrete Uh, cylinder that we put plants in, um, like tile base, or, um, like in Girdwood, they have a bunch of broken tile pieces that they designed in there, and it looks super awesome. So I don't know if these people that do murals could also maybe give us a bid for, um, those center blocks too.

Oh, yep. And Please, if anyone on the commission is in Girdwood, take a picture because I know, Brittany, I think I talked to you and I tried to go on Google Earth and find it and I couldn't find them, but I'd love to see these.

I'll, uh, I'll be in Girdwood next Wednesday, this coming up Wednesday, so I will take a picture, Tyler. I'll send it to you if you are able. I know you have a baby, so yes, we will. Yes. Did we have like an idea, a rough estimate of like what we wanted to do with the murals?

Was it going to be more of like a botanical element? Was it going to be more of like a pop of color? Is it more realism? Are we looking for nature-inspired? Because that will depend on what type of artist we want to look for if we can't reach out to those murals.

Yeah, I would say we were more limited by having an official mural person because there's also been a conversation with a person from the Art Society who was like And I am not an expert in this area, but they were like, to do it and to do it right can be more difficult than you think. So to have a specialist is very good. And I don't know the scope of this artist's ability or another artist in town, but— okay, so no, no design elements have been decided yet. I think it's more what could it be, and then kind of working our way from the cost, and then what, what we could do with that. Okay, I was like more so wondering just because like I'm starting out to be getting— so I have a business that's based off of artistry, so I'm reaching out to like a bunch of different groups around in Alaska, and I've been reaching out to different communities and different events and sponsors and everything like that.

And so I'm being more in touch with a lot of local artists and muralists and things like that, so I could probably see if I could reach into someone that might be more up to on par of what we're looking for, or that was also one of the concepts I was thinking about looking into in the near future as a service I could provide later down the road. But that's if we can't find anyone, and I can at least like have more practice with it just because it would be a newer service. But I could certainly help reaching out and seeing who we can find. Yeah, um, and how that would fall would be, you know, say I want— I'm just gonna, I'm gonna make something up. Say at the ice rink we want a brown bear and a salmon playing hockey against each other.

Um, a polar bear and a cardinal. Yeah, because the Stars' original mascot was a polar bear because it was consolation, I think. Oh really? Yeah. So a polar bear and a cardinal playing hockey and the cardinal winning since it's our ice rink.

That's gonna be fun to explain to the artist. Haha. But it wouldn't be, it would be like, hey, this is kind of what we're looking for. And we could get a draft design made, but then it would be, you know, say it costs $5,000. Yeah.

Then I have to get a verbal quote from 3 different artists. Yeah. Who's like, Hey, can you do this? So they all may do something a little different. Exactly.

Through that design element. But we have that financial process that we'd have to follow through on. Right. And I don't know what that would look like yet. It's like, hey, you know what?

We want— watch this, watch this go on the radio. This is totally a theory and not a real—. Oh no. A cardinal and a polar bear playing hockey against each other with a cardinal winning. We want it to be hyper-olistic.

Like, you know, like Zootopia animals with the cardinal checking the polar bear and scoring a goal. I don't know. Sarah wants to know. We want it to be 40 by 20. We want it to really highlight the red colors.

And then how much would that cost? And we would follow the financial process through there. Okay. I think it would be neat to have different elements in the design in the mural. You know, fish, plants, people, city, Kenai.

Yeah, and that's where I want to get what, what, what can we get, what can we get locally, what's feasible locally, and then be like, what are we thinking elements-wise? And I think that could be a fun conversation for us. And I'm hoping I have again more, more answers in January, and that would fall right in line with when I, I submit special projects come February.

So, uh, there's other, um, cities in Alaska that have worked with their local high schools and had their art classes, um, be part of the process to do. It might be something to consider to— for the KCHS art teacher. And then my daughter and I, back in the day, the city of Slivatna did fire hydrant painting. So as a family, you can sign up to paint and improve the aesthetics of the fire hydrants.

Sorry, I'm shifting off of murals right now. Um, yes, I, I don't know. I don't know fire hydrants, and I haven't been part of a painting process in those. And I can always talk about that with our fire department, and I'm always open to talk to KCHS. Like, we're talking to KMS about like the pickleball courts and the outdoor racquetball sports courts.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, and with our, like, we always try to reach, well, I think we don't always try to reach out, but we've been reached out to about various senior civic projects too.

So beautification win for the hockey teams.

No, they really do.

All right. Well, we have some significant work to do on design. So I actually think that it might be kind of cool to possibly turn it into some kind of a community contest driven. So we could have community members submit different various designs and we could even vote on them or something like that. That may be another avenue of finding some ideas for these different murals.

And I wanted to say that I think it might be, I don't know how the special projects are designed, but it could be a multi-year process where we do a mural every year for 3 years, and this is the project, and spread it out because our seasons are short for getting these murals painted, installed, and things like that. So trying to do 3 or 4 in one, you know, summer might be too big of an ask. So we could potentially do like a multi-year special project type of thing. So those would be my suggestions, but I think we should definitely work session this Mural again and get an update in January or so. Yes, and this is again, this kind of was a part of— I— Mural kind of fell to the back burner, and thankful for, uh, Chair Dothit to bring it back up because I think that was a good thing to bring up in the work session where we could talk about this.

And I wanted more progress. I was hoping to get more feedback, but it's on my, like, it's on my to-do list now to get more so I can come back with like Hey, these are kind of our options that we could probably work with. So then we can get a visual of— I'm going to ask AI now to design this mural as an example of the Cardinal. I really hope you— I hope you send that to me so I can make a background on my phone. But no, so we can understand, like, I've heard a lot of different elements and a lot of different designs and kind of follow to what we could ask of an art artist, but see, you know, we're going to buy a 60-inch TV and that's what it's going to look like.

Kind of get a better scope of it or see examples that they've done in other cities. Can I be incorporated in the design work? I do graphic design as my business, so that's something that I primarily do. And I do like logos and different designs and like websites and for other businesses and doing art displays. So that's literally right up my alley of what I do.

So graphic design is literally my work, and illustrations, and pop of color, and botanical elements. So if I could be incorporated in that, that would be amazing. I just want to verify, as in, yes, if there was a volunteer aspect? Yes, you could. Yes.

OK. That's fine. I'm here as a volunteer, so that's the whole point of this. Oh, no. Oh, no. All right.

No, I think that could be a great thing to bring forth, and I think showing that. As an in-house thing from the commission would be awesome.

Any other comments?

No? All right. Well, um, is there anyone from the public who would like to speak on any of our discussion items?

Limit of 5 minutes per speaker. Okay.