Public Naming Commission Meeting - May 7, 2025

We'll call the meeting to order at 4:01, and I'm going to do the roll call. So, Member Khan? Here. Member Harrison? Here.

Member Bunnell? Here.

Member Gallinan is absent. Member Hess? Here. And Member Gupta? Here.

Okay, so we have a quorum present.

And the first item of business is to elect a chair and a vice chair. So I will take nominations for chair.

I'd like to nominate Darrell, if that's okay.

Darrell, would you accept the nomination? Yes. Are there any other nominations for chair?

If there being nobody else being nominated, is there any objection to Darrell serving as chair?

Darrell is chair. So now for vice chair, are there any nominations for vice chair?

Any— Christine, would you be interested in serving as chair— vice chair? Sure, I'll serve as vice chair. I'll nominate Christine. We worked together in the past and she has a passion for public spaces and history. Okay, are there any other nominations for vice chair?

Hearing none, is there any objection to Member Bunnell serving as vice chair?

Seeing and hearing none, Member Bunnell is elected vice chair. And that brings us down to Robert's Rules, Open Meetings Act, and ethics training, which I kind of forgot that I put on the agenda. Again, you guys get stuck with the rookie. So, um, I think that Jasmine has emailed you guys a copy of the chart of common motions. Oh, cool.

Yes.

Um, so with Robert's Rules, I'm going to try to do these each very quickly, and if you have any questions, I'm happy to answer any questions.

There's a couple basic tenets of Robert's Rules. It is that one thing at a time, equal rights for everyone, and there's one other one that I usually say that I can't think of off the top of my head right now. But when you're— when you think about equal rights for everyone, if you're taking away some rights of other members, that's when you need a supermajority vote for things. Um, and so the next thing I talk about is that, um, I consider the motions like a ladder. And so a main motion is fairly low on the ladder because most motions can supersede the main motion.

And so you have a main motion, and so then You can amend a motion, or you could call the question, or you could call for a point of order. You could— all those, you could refer it to a committee, all of those items, postpone it indefinitely, postpone it to a certain time. All of those motions would supersede a main motion. And then, as you work through the motions, you're going to then come back down. If you've moved to approve something and then you've moved to amend it, and then you've moved to amend the amendment, you're going to vote on the amended— the amendment to the amendment, and then you're going to vote on the amendment as amended, and then you're going to vote on the main motion as amended.

Postponing to time certain, you just move the item to another meeting. Postpone indefinitely, according to Robert's Rules, is a subsidiary motion. The Assembly has a special rule where they— where it can be a main motion, and so we would need a motion to approve something before we would postpone it indefinitely.

If the chair makes a ruling, either there's a point of order because a mistake has been made, or there's a— yeah, a mistake has been made, then you would call for a point of order, and then the chair would rule on the point of order. Another thing would be if you had a conflict of interest. Based on your ethics disclosures, you would make your conflict of interest statement. The chair would make a ruling about whether or not you had a substantial interest. And then if you disagree with the chair at that point, you would need to appeal from the decision of the chair.

So that needs to be done right away if you have a point of order or have appealed the decision of the chair.

And then there's a couple of options to bring things back if you've learned something new that might change your mind. If it's— we can amend something previously adopted. If we're still in the same meeting, we can move to reconsider the item.

If it's been previously adopted and you just want to make it go away entirely, it could be rescinded. So I think typically things are gonna be easy with approving and amending, and I am happy to help provide scripts if there's anything else that you need along the way.

Open Meetings Act, quickly. Open Meetings Act is in state law, and it's also in the code, and it basically says that 3 members or a majority, whichever is less, cannot talk about a subject that the body is empowered to act on unless you're in a meeting. And so as you guys move through life at this point, um, you can only communicate with one or two other people about any particular topic that you would be empowered to act on.

If you talk to more than that, it could be considered a serial meeting if you're like by email or if it isn't a publicly noticed meeting. And so if you're going to be at an event, if they're— I'm just making this up, but if, if there was a renaming and you all were invited to go to a grand opening of the renamed space, we would want to publicly notice that with you guys all being there and that type of thing.

Just to cover everyone so that just to make, to play it safe, it's easier to publicly notice and make it safe than it is to deal with having a complaint issued. Emails count. Emails count, yeah. So if I CC all of you, I will. Ask you to please not reply all.

I think that's the gist for open meetings. And then all of our meetings have to be publicly noticed. Yeah, we'll publicly notice all your meetings. So here, by the end of the meeting, we'll get your next few meetings set up. Um, do you have my email updated everywhere?

Yes. Okay, sorry, we had Gmail in her and she's not Gmail. Um, oh, hi. Um, I just wanted to say, uh, so I was staff to the Anchorage Historic Preservation Commission for quite a few years, as Darrell was before I came along, and one of the issues that we had come up was this meeting through an email. So we also have to be very careful, and I think you kind of touched on it, don't have a meeting on email, so if something gets sent out, you can't comment back on it.

You just, you have to save your comments for the in-person meeting that we have. We got kind of a little bit scary territory on a couple of things, and there were a few commissioners on my commission that were not very happy with me when I had to shut them down a couple of times, but We just have to be careful of that too. Yep. Thank you very much. Yeah, sure.

You have to give public notice. When you had called me about setting this meeting, you were like, I need so many days. Yeah, how many? How many? It's 48 hours.

We typically try to do it a week in advance.

But it was Friday afternoon and I needed to get it, needed to get it done.

Yeah, the muni, there's a minimum, but 95% of the time we go with a week or 2 weeks. Yeah, yeah, we give maximum notice. Board meetings are 48 hours minimum. And again, we try to do 7, and then often because it's regular meetings and you meet at a specific day and time of the month, we just schedule all of them out. And then that way they can be updated, or if we needed a special meeting, that's 24-hour notice.

And Commission meetings are noticed on 2 calendars on muni.org. Yes, the public notice page and the events calendar.

Okay, are we ready to move on to a little bit of ethics?

This is something else that was emailed to you folks online. Um, this is the disclosure of economic interests in municipal contract or business by a public servant. And so we will need for you to complete this form and submit it. You can submit it to the clerk's office, either email it to me, or you can, if you're going to print it out and fill it out, you can hand deliver it to the clerk's office, which is Suite 250 next door. And this is given to the Board of Ethics, and they just review them and file them away.

And so if you have a conflict being interest in a municipal contract or how you engage with the municipality.

We would just need to know that to be sure that you are properly excused off when needed. Additionally, if you were to have a conflict that arises through your work, you would need to disclose that right away when we get to that item on the agenda. I don't like if, for example, if I can't think of anything because this is kind of all public places. I can't imagine you could have a personal interest, I guess, in, uh, if we were going to rename a park Darryl Hess Park, um, Darryl might have a a personal interest in, in that outcome. And so he would need to declare a potential conflict of interest for the body to consider.

There's a series of questions that we would go through to determine if he had a substantial interest in the matter, and then the chair would rule, or the vice chair would rule in this situation if he's chair, whether or not he had a substantial conflict of interest in order to recuse him off of voting on that matter. If somebody related to was bringing a petition forward, for instance, you want to disclose that. If you're— I mean, the substantial part is hard to know, and so you want to just disclose. But even if, for instance, there was a park and you're houses right across the street from it, you know, that that may be considered, you know, an advantage. So it's probably better to just to disclose.

It is best to disclose and let the body make the decision, um, because that's gonna— if they rule, if they order you to vote on it, then you've done your duty by just disclosing it, and it keeps you in the clear.

Any questions about that?

Okay, I can be done then. All right, well, thank you, Jamie. You know, before we go further on the agenda, could we go around real quick and introduce ourselves? You know, just a couple of minutes, who we are, and why you wanted— why you were interested in serving on this commission. And can we start with Kuku and Christine online?

Yeah, thank you, Darryl. Well, I know some of you. My name is Kuku Gupta. I have been in Anchorage for 7 years now, and I moved here right out of college, and I studied comparative literature in college, which was a lot around the idea of naming specifically with historical context or context around colonialism, context around political climate of things. We focused on literature and art and films.

And, you know, being originally from India, I have a lot of thoughts on how we are connected with the space and place that we belong in. And how they are represented also represent our identities. So one of my friends told me about the existence of this commission, and she was like, you know what, Kuku, I think you'd be great in it. And so she encouraged me to apply, Alyssa Hartman, and here I am. So yes, I work at Rural Cap.

I am a youth community programs manager there, and Yeah, that's, that's me. Thank you, Darryl. Thank you, Kūkū. Christine?

Hi everybody, uh, thank you Darryl and, uh, Cameron. Um, I, uh, my name is Christine Bunnell. I live in College Village and I've been in Alaska for going on 15 years. I moved here when my granddaughter Scarlett was a year and a half old. She is now taller than I am and just fabulous, as well as her brother Max, who's a couple of years younger.

We live two streets apart, so it's fun to be here. Really important for family.

I was with the MUNI for almost 13 years, like I mentioned a couple of minutes ago. I was the staff person for the Anchorage Historic Preservation Commission, and during that time we accomplished quite a bit with the commission. We adopted the original neighborhoods historic preservation plan, if any of you have heard of that. We adopted a— or we completed an interpretive plan that goes along with that plan. We had 2 or 3 historic districts nominated to the National Register and approved.

And I also wrote the ordinance that adopted the local landmark ordinance and that nomination process. So anyway, now I'm retired and I'm actually working on the Midtown District Plan, trying to get that to planning and zoning so it can go to the assembly here this summer. And I was asked to be on because I was basically the historic preservation officer for the MUNI for so many years, and Cameron and Dr. Volland thought I'd be great in this position, and they knew I was leaving the MUNI. So anyway, yeah, it's fun to be here, and I think we're going to accomplish great things. Thank you, Chris.

Jennifer, you want to go next? Sure. Um, I've been in Alaska my whole life. I've been in Anchorage all except for 10 years. Um, so I've lived in Upper Dearman, I've lived on the east side.

I currently own a house in Government Hill, so that's where I am now. For the 10 years that I wasn't here, I lived out in Sutton and Chickaloon. And when I lived out there, I served on the Historic Preservation Commission for the Massue. And I actually spent some time living at the Alpine Historical Park there in Sutton, which you manage, this historical area of buildings.

I have a degree in anthropology and I've been working for tribes and tribal health organizations my whole career, two of them being Klutna and Chickalings, some nearby ones. But I currently work for Alaska Native Tribal Health Consortium. I'm a senior community liaison, and that involves traveling throughout the entire state. I travel a lot, visiting mostly now— we're focused on what we call first service communities, which are communities that are getting piped water and sewer for the first time. So I'm going to the really small remote ones at this time, but I was just interested because I read the list of criteria and I was like, check, check, check.

I was like, everything seemed to be saying all my interests and things.

So I was like, oh, maybe I should— you guys should apply. Well, I'm glad you did. And Selma? Are you Selma? Yeah.

You don't want to introduce yourself? My name is Selma Khan. I'm originally from Barrow, now known as Utqalvik. Came to Anchorage to attend college and haven't left at all. So I'm still here thriving.

I actually saw similar story to Jennifer, saw the list of open commission seats, um, and I actually have my undergrad in anthropology from UAA, so I was able to actually have real-life Anchorage experience with that degree. I also have my master's degree in HR management, so I, by day, day to day, I'm an HR director right now. I'm more at TDX. Previously, I know Kūkūk because I was the HR director at Rural Cab, um, but, uh, My interests, I'm an anthropology nerd secretly, but I'm HR all day. Yeah, that's my spiel.

Thank you. Well, I'm Darryl Hess and I've lived in Anchorage, it'll be 60 years this August. I've worked for the municipality for the last 17 years. The first year and a half I worked in economic and community development. Mountain View Library was one of my projects and helping Credit Union 1 open the first banking institution in Mountain View in 25 years.

And then I was appointed as the city's first homeless coordinator for 3 years. And since 2012, I've been the ombudsman for the municipality. But I also, one of my other duties as assigned at one point was historic preservation officer before Christine and I staffed the commission. I've always had an interest in history, uh, you know, with a few friends I started a, we started a cemetery tour 3 years ago called Soul in the Cemetery, and we visit only African Americans on that tour. So this June will be our 3rd tour.

So I have a great interest in local history, and I've been involved in a lot of public namings over the years, and it's— the process has always troubled me, the way we would create these ad hoc panels for a specific naming, because somebody would pass away and you would have grieving family members or friends or business partners come to the Assembly and the administration. They would form this panel, they would serve on it, and the outcome was predetermined. And because the way the system worked, invariably 90-95% of our namings were for older white males. So the naming process has not been very inclusive, has had a particular Western European focus. And so about 4 years ago, and this is why I'm waiting for Cameron to introduce himself last, Cameron and I started talking about this issue and we both had similar concerns.

So he spearheaded the Assembly's major rewrite of the public naming code, and that's one of the reasons I know Cameron's here tonight, because he wants to assist us as we start developing the, the work, you know, plan for the commission. So with that, Cameron, if you'd like to introduce yourself. Um, yes, I'm Cameron. Um, I grew up in Barrow and, uh, and, um, uh, and been on the assembly and lived in Anchorage now for gosh, 15, maybe 20 years now.

And yeah, I am— I mean, I think that one of the things that would be really helpful to all of you is to spend a little bit of time on this context, like what was it like before? And I don't know if folks know what it was like before, but it's worth spending some time on it and understanding why it needed to change and what was wrong with it. The result of it, Daryl talks about, in that we just had a city that was— the naming of everything was not representative of the city and of our history and of the first people who were here and all of these things. And so, and I felt more and more the impact that that was having on our children, on our community, on tourism, on all kinds of things. And so, but the other part was that, was that, so there was an opportunity to really change that, but the system itself was not only the result, but it was, as Daryl was saying, it was, you know, our softball coach got hit by a car and it's really sad and his name is Billy.

And so it was, I'm gonna go to that, I'm going to name that park Billy, right? Billy had only lived in Alaska 2 years, you know, and just come here, right? But everybody was really emotional about Billy had just died. And so they would pull a group together, including Billy's sister and Billy's mom, and that would be the committee, right? And they would have a couple of meetings and they'd say, well, we want to name this park after him.

And they'd come to the assembly and it was a foregone conclusion that that was going to happen, right? And that happened over and over and over and over again. And then the other things would happen, like we've seen it in recent terms, like when there's a lot of political pressure to name something after somebody after they pass away. We saw it with Don Young, right? And so I just felt like there needed to be a different way to do this and that was more fair and that it involved more people and there was some long-term planning I went to Denver years ago and lived there, and I attended a 2-day workshop there, and the whole city, everybody was there, people from all businesses, and they were like, what's the identity of Denver?

Like, who, what is Denver all about? And how do we represent that in our public art and our naming and our everything? So it was really well thought out, and I really think that that's what we need as a city. We need a city that has a clear identity that's more than just settlers, right? And so, and I think that this can be inclusive of a lot of our history.

It doesn't have to just be one, one, one, one history. So I'm here just because I'm really interested in this work and I want to support it as much as I can. I want to support all of you in this work. I just also just wanted to say that the processes that you would set up, there is the— it's written, some of the things are written in the code, But a lot of it is you have to design it. You have to design a process and a system that you think will be really great after you leave, right?

So this is one of the things why I think a lot of you were selected, because I feel like a lot of you have the skills, experience, HR experience, these kinds of things that seriously, that like will allow this to be a solid process and system. Inclusive. Inclusive, right? And so that it's not, it can't be challenged every single time, like, you know, and so that's a big part of the beginning of it is setting it up right. And making sure that it's done right.

And then the other thing is that I think over time, my hope is that we'll start to see things change in our city and we'll see a better distribution of names and that sort of thing. So that's my hope. And so I'm just here to— my hope is that I can just attend your meetings and provide any help that I can and support. And, and, but, but not get in your way. And I think one of the major goals when the rewrite— when the Assembly did the rewrite was to try to step back from the focus on naming after individuals and look more at cultural historic context, uh, you know, even animals, natural features versus individuals.

Yeah, that's— thank you for saying that. And yeah, we're not going to go— just, I think, just, just real quick to build on that because that's something that I forgot is that is that there is a real culture built around naming people after people die, right? And if you think about what that culture is doing to our cities, it's Michael J. Fox Highway and Billy Joe's, you know, building, and all of a sudden you have this lack of identity. It's just these literally names.

And instead of really thoughtful, like, why is that named that? And especially when you go back, back to, to Indigenous names, there are names that were relevant to that. That is, that's what that is. That's why it's there. It's rarely named after a person.

So, but I really appreciate that. And I think that, that partly the writing of this is saying still there should be opportunities for people. Like when my sister died, we, we like paid for a little thing of road, right? And that was cool. I mean, it's like a little piece of the road.

You get a little sign, a memorial thing, but I don't want a street name, you know what I mean? I don't. So I think that that's a really important point, is this group beginning to, with the community, with others, envision a new way of doing this that's really representative of our city. So thanks for letting me say that. Christine, did you have your hand up?

Yeah, real quick. If you folks don't know, you know, we don't have to start at.

0.0, Because Shem Pete's Alaska is, I mean, if you're aware of that book, Kuku, I'm not sure if you are, it has the place names and everything else that we can lean to. And throughout this part of Anchorage, and we actually have a foundation for doing this too in our planning. Processes. I mentioned the original neighborhoods historic preservation plan. We talk in there about doing renaming and how that should be supported in those 4 original neighborhoods, which are Downtown, Government Hill, Government Hill South Edition, and Fairview.

And so, you know, we're not going to be starting at zero. We've already got some background for us to do that. And other real— two real quick things. Um, Darryl moved here soon after the Alaska earthquake, the great earthquake in '64, and I just want you to know that he slept with his shoes on for quite a while because they were afraid the earthquake was going to happen again. And I only know this because I helped write Government Hill yesterday and yesterday, today, and today, or whatever it is, and, uh, We interviewed Darryl for that.

So thank you, Christine. It sounds like it's putting all the pieces of the puzzle together. Yeah, I think this is what's great. I think this is a great group of people. We have, I think, a broad skill set, which is why I wanted all of us to introduce ourselves, because we're gonna— as Cameron said, we're gonna build the foundation for the future.

Then this is an important I think this is an important commission that's going to help, I think, create an identity for our community. And Darrell, just a couple of other things I think are really helpful. One is that this inherently is going to sometimes become a political process, as you can imagine. The people on this group and the work of this group is going to— there's going to be times when you're going to get pretty significant pushback. And so I think just sort of like preparing for that.

But I I'm hoping that this Commission is also really bold in its work and that, you know, we are, we are pushing back against decades and decades and decades of naming. When you look at the original law that was put into place in the '80s and, and some of the names on there who were— you recognize some of the names who are on there, you know, the, the— it was built around let's name, let's have a priority for historic Anchorage family names, so Marston and Godstein and others, right? So those names were Sullivan, and like these names were, had a high priority in all of it. And so that's one of the reasons why you see that. And they were built around in some ways giving access to this to some and not access to others.

And so I just really, really encourage the commission to be bold in that The only way we're going to get to a place where we have a more representative distribution of names is if we think about what the priorities should be, which is one of the reasons why the code was written in the way it was, right? The code was written to make sure that we had voices on this commission that brought experience and passion around ensuring that this was a group that prioritized groups that have been underrepresented in the past.

From my perspective, I think one of the things we're going to have to deal with as a commission in the near future is requests to rename because so many parks and facilities were named decades ago and the majority of the current residents in Anchorage have no idea who the individuals were, why they were named what they were named, or I don't know about any of you, but I hear comments from some of my Indigenous friends regarding Centennial Park, which was named in 1966 for the 100th anniversary of the Alaska Purchase in 1967. For a lot of Indigenous peoples, that's not something they celebrate. So that, that there are certain names on some parks and facilities in Anchorage that don't resonate with a lot of people. So we may have to look— like Cameron's talking about being bold— we may have to look at recommending renaming. Some facilities, and I hope we will do that.

Any other comments? The next topic is prepare a statement of vision for naming of public places. So there is a— I think, isn't there a purpose statement in the code that we could, rather than reinventing the wheel, we could probably expand on that? Edit. I was going to bring a copy of the code.

If you haven't, it'll be good to have that.

Yeah, reading the code was basically why I wanted to join too. I read it and go, okay, this is what they're doing. I'll be part of it. So as far as a vision statement for naming public places, I think that purpose in the code, we could probably look at that and expand on it. And I don't know if that's something we want to dive into tonight, or would a couple of commissioners be interested in taking that on?

Because if we form a committee, I believe, Jamie, if it's only 2 members, it doesn't have to be noticed when they meet. So if a couple of commissioners are interested in taking that on and having a draft to us by our next meeting, it might save us I don't know if we don't want to dive into it tonight. What is— what do you all think? Um, you could like set a timer and say we're going to talk about it for 10 minutes so that people— so that everyone could like put their input and then do a group. Awesome.

That splits off. We can do that. So does—.

Is this what you were talking about? It's purpose in the code. 180.020 Policy. When considering the naming or renaming of a public place, the preferred practice shall be to impart public property with a sense of historical, cultural, or geographical significance, considering location, function, the traditional indigenous place name, or natural features. Is that what you are thinking?

Yes.

Any comments? Is there a way to like share your screen? Uh, yeah, Jasmine, it's 180020C.

And is this a permanent vision statement? Well, I think if the Commission could— future Commissions or this Commission could always Amend it, change it. Can you hit Control and then probably scroll the mouse up and make it bigger?

Oh, too big. Went too fast. Where'd it go? It's further down, the one that she had highlighted.

To jump.

180.02.0.C. Crazy place. It's under Title 1. Article—. You want to copy and paste and put it in Word?

Yeah.

Anybody ever used ChatGPT? Yeah, I use it a crapload. I just put the whole thing into ChatGPT and said, please write a vision for us. I use the crap out of it. This is what it said.

It says—. I tell everyone to use it. The Public Naming Commission envisions a city where the names of our shared spaces reflect the full story of Anchorage, honoring the deep history, diverse cultures, and natural landscapes that define this place. Through thoughtful, inclusive, and transparent processes, we seek to elevate traditional Indigenous place names, recognize meaningful and local narratives, and connect our public spaces to community identity, vision, and values. Our work is grounded in the belief that naming is more than symbolic.

It is an act of recognition, a tool for education, and a way to foster belonging. We are committed to building a legacy of names that reflect who we are, where we come from, and where we're going together.

I need that application. Yeah, I've seen work that's been done. It's very good. The only problem is it's—. Yeah.

All right. You could ask for it too. I like it. I like it. You could ask for it too.

Shorten it? Yeah, shorten it. Yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah, it's a little long, but it's great.

I feel like— I can see— InVision usually is shorter so you can like memorize it. Yeah. I don't think I can memorize that.

We envision an Anchorage where the names of public places reflect our shared history, honor Indigenous place names, and connect meaningfully to the land, people, and values of our community. Through thoughtful, inclusive processes, we aim to build a legacy of names that tell the story of who we are.

I like that. I like that too. Yeah, I really liked that the original one had foster belonging in it. Um, but I also just find this really dystopic that as a naming commission we're going to ChatGPT for our vision. I think it's just a little ironic.

But yeah, I just— I really liked the foster belonging aspect. In the, in the first one. Is there a way to work it into the second version without making it much longer? Yeah, sorry.

No, thank you. No, I like fostering belonging too. That was one of the purposes of changing the code was to get—. Yeah, I was thinking of that youth a couple of years ago who had, um, I read their article in ADN and they had that a street name change to one of the Harry Potter names, and they talked about how they felt like a connection and belonging, you know, with the land. And so that kind of stuck out to me because of it.

Do you remember who I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, we do, because we do the street renaming.

So do we.

Let me try this. Do you want to go ahead and like print out the vision and get it to us next month? Let us kind of cook on it a little bit. Yeah, let's do that. Send out a 13th.

We have a— this is a good draft and we could all think about potential edits and then it could be an action item on the next agenda. Sounds very DEI to me. I felt motivated to listen to it. I just, I think of the other side. DEI is actually in the code.

Did you see that? That the—. Yeah, yeah, I mean, we could also—. Yeah, hey, yeah, it's on the code. Yeah, I will.

Yeah.

Okay, so we're going to move on to D. Naming implementation goals and strategy development.

Sounds heavy. Yeah, that's what I was—. Well, these are the steps to reaching that. Yeah. So how do we implement, how do we reach our vision statement?

I mean, a lot of it is in the code, I think, to start with. I was going to say, I also got a little creative one night and decided I wasn't going to print this out for you, but now I'll have Jasmine put it up there. But, um, I spent the document—. You do exactly 7 minutes in chat, plug the code in, and it came up with, uh, I love this. I've only used it once.

I love the crap out of it. I've got to check this out.

I have a very direct—. Be careful with it because it lies. Because it doesn't always tell you the truth. It makes things up at times. It's best to have a draft while you do it.

For editing and things like that. Yeah, it's best to have a draft. Exactly. Research. It's several times it's given me research that it made up.

And it told me it was written by something, and I went and looked it up and it was not. But if you have a fridge full of food that you're trying to get rid of, you can just say, "I've got all this food, give me your recipe." There you go. I do it all the time.

So, yeah, the code has very specific sort of steps and guidelines and things to just kind of start with. So, is Jasmine going to put up the document? Yeah. Cool.

So once again, I think this is a document that we can think about. Yeah, I can email it out. If you guys like it, then we can email it out and you guys can edit it further or suggest further edits.

It was—.

So, did you ask it to give you goals and strategy development, or—. Yeah. Yeah. So, goals. So, develop and adopt formal naming and renaming criteria.

Define what types of public places are eligible. Ensure criteria include diversity, equity, and cultural-sensitive principles. Finalize and distribute a submission form, create a communications plan to inform the public, agencies, and stakeholders, set a clear deadline for initial submissions to be considered in the upcoming work plan, review proposed names and places, schedule at least one public hearing to identify additional potential names, request advisory opinions from community councils, parks and recreation commissions, and boards of supervisors. Create a scoring rubric to evaluate proposals based on approved criteria. Review submissions on a rolling basis.

Flag submissions that require further research or engagement. Compile all findings, submit, and submissions into a structured outline. Submit report to the Assembly by August 31st. And then submit memorandums outlining the Commission's recommendations to the Assembly for approval. No, that's— I mean, it's a starting point.

So that's in Word and—. Yeah. I could email if any of that sounded interesting or correct, we can email it out and you guys can make edits.

Mr. Chair, I'm willing to be on a subcommittee to look at this. Maybe with somebody else. And because, you know, there is a naming commission for the state. I'm not quite sure what all their foundational documents are or something like that, but I think it might be good to take a look at what they have versus what this has too.

I think that's a great idea. Who is— anybody interested in serving with Christine on a 2-person subcommittee to work on this.

I've spent a lot of time writing goals and objectives for projects, but I'm about to go to Seattle and drive through Canada for the next week. I don't mind. Selma has volunteered. Oh, okay, great. Perfect.

And then the two of you can come at our next meeting, you'll have something, some suggestions for us to review.

Sounds good. Selma, I'll— we'll probably need to meet up somewhere, but we can figure that out after.

So I'm sure the clerk's office can connect the two of you electronically so you can have each other's contact information. Yeah. Can I ask a question? Are we expecting our goals to be SMART goals that are measurable and time-bound? Because these aren't time-bound.

They don't have like deadlines. I'm just giving them guidelines for their subcommittee. Do they have to be like, develop and adopt formal naming and renaming criteria by July 15th? I think we could, we could provide that context if we need to, because there's some of this will be, like they said, straightforward out of the code and just reiterated. I just noticed that August 31st.

So is all of this stuff supposed to be done by August 31st? If so, we might need like a timeline of like—. So the August 31st is, I think that's when the annual work plan has to be submitted to the assembly, right? I think ideally the code would envision that September 1st, you start on your next year. And so since we're starting in April, you— this— or May now, you can either rush it and get to there, or, uh, yeah, you can either get to August and get them what you've done, and then, and then start for the next year.

I think some of these, like develop and adopt formal naming Renaming criteria, that's potentially a one-time. That's an action. That's an action. To me, it's not a goal. I mean, it could be a goal, but to me, as I'm looking at some of these, that's why I thought I'd volunteer for a subcommittee is some of them to me are actions that we need to get done before we can even, you know, get a nomination, right?

Right. Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to overtalk you. No, no, no, you're correct. Some of these we can put, you know, deadlines on we want to meet, but others that are ongoing, there's not necessarily a deadline for them.

Did that answer your question, Jennifer? Yeah, I just thought we should have a little bit more discussion. Can you make sure you send the Word doc to me and Christine? I'm working on that right now. Well, I should remember Christine's email.

And I do.

I have a question. I'm puzzled. The way some things are worded and then the discussions I've seen in some emails, are we going to do an annual plan where we consider all renamings and make recommendations at one time, or do we look at individual nominations during the year? Yeah, I think that's an important something that we need to really discuss at our next meeting when we look at the goals and, uh, strategies. Yeah, you and I talked about that when we first were talking about this, because I remember that I think the goal was to not be too reactive, right?

So that it isn't—. Isn't—. You're not just reacting to everybody's what they're doing, but you're thinking about what are all the places that need to be named, um, where are all the requests of people that want to be, and so that, and people can say, I want my mom to be named after something, I'm not sure what it is, here's an idea, or I want this bridge or this thing, but so you're collecting that and you're not being super reactive, right? So that you can, at some point, I think, bring a plan to the assembly that says, here's the 6 places that we'd like to name, here are the, we've gone through this process, da da da da da, But then I think you're also— there has to be some level of responsiveness to things that happen throughout the year, you know, and so how do you respond to that? So I think that's, that's a really good question.

So the other thing too, and this is, and this is relating to the local landmark register, so we created the nomination form, kind of what you sent to us, but then I created a director's guidance on how to fill out the form because with the nomination form, there's a lot of justification. And I think that we would want, with a nomination for renaming or a naming, we want to know the story. And that's not 2 or 3 sentences, that's going to be you know, a narrative that people have to produce for us and maybe photos and, you know, some background information or whatever. So I don't think we should anticipate that a nomination is just going to be the one page and that's going to be the end of it.

So, you know, one of those action items, even though we have a nomination form, we say, okay, this is a nomination form, But then we got to figure out, then we got to tell people how to figure out and what they need to provide when they nominate something.

I think we're talking about that with E. Yeah. So I think, were there any more comments on D real quick? I think we're going to have the subcommittees going to look at the draft document Jamie put together and come back to us with some recommendations at our next meeting.

So then we'll move on to what, Christine, what you're talking about is item E on the agenda is the submission form, right? Yeah. So any other thoughts on the submission form?

I do. I do it. Yeah, I personally like to take a little bit of time to look at it and then do a comparison. Between the local landmark nomination form that we created and, um, because like I said, we, we had to add like 2 or 3 pages to that nomination form for the local landmark ordinance so that we could explain to people what information they need to include in there. And so I don't, to me, I don't anticipate that just being 1 page.

It could be 2 to 3 pages, but then again, the guidance on how to fill it out and what is expected as far as information goes. And then we have to give the— in the nomination form, and I apologize, I didn't have a chance to look at it thoroughly, you know, we need to give them the parameters and how the choices are going to be made and stuff like that too. So, um, yeah, I'd like to look at that a little bit more. But can we put it up and talk about it for a minute? Do we have time or are we— we have 4 minutes.

Any other thoughts on the form, Jennifer? In one of the goals, it talked about criteria, having a matrix criteria, and so that seems to be missing from here. It doesn't— like you said, it doesn't have instructions. It doesn't say —like, I would expect us to— yeah, I would expect us to have criteria, and then they would have to check off, like, yeah, it meets that criteria, it meets this criteria, it meets this criteria before even submitting it. Yeah.

You know, I was just sitting here thinking, in the code it has— there's a list of 8 or 9 things. It used to be when we had these ad hoc public naming panels, in the report that went to the Assembly and the administration, you had to say how you address each of these criteria, like the, was there any Indigenous significance to Indigenous cultures in this place? Or did the person you recommend, you know, what was their connection to the space? So I like Christine's idea of having some sort of a document that says a good nomination packet would include, you know, or something that gives some direction and address how this naming, proposed naming, would meet each of these goals that are in the code. Because the naming panels used to have to outline how the proposed naming met these goals.

So, if somebody's nominating You know, that would actually help the Commission, I think, as we looked at nominations, if they articulated how that proposed naming would meet the goals in the code. Well, and also the vision for the program too.

Yeah. I mean, and you know, that can be a little bit, you know, kind of esoteric or something for somebody to try to figure out. So that's why It's good to have that. I'm saying director's guidance because we were in the planning department, but I think we should call it the chairman's guidance or something like that, or commission guidance or something like that. Commission guidance.

Yeah, and I can put the link to the local landmark register. Uh, oh, I'll send it when we get done, and then you all can take a look at that, and then you can see what I'm talking about. We tried not to make it really, really complicated, but I will tell you, when you have, uh, 2 archaeologists and 2 historians and 3 architects on a commission, stuff gets complicated.

So I just Am I the only one that— I just had a concern. I wasn't sure about the requirement for a map, or the application was incomplete if there was no map.

Is everybody going to have the ability to pull them out? I mean, to pull a map or find a map, or—.

So, you know, that's— that could be in the guidance if there's— if the area or the object or whatever it is, you know, a rock or I don't know what, isn't on, you know, isn't on a regular map, you know, they could go use Google Earth or something like that, and then we could tell them that that's— that would be adequate, I guess. We just have to figure that out. Yeah, it's just the language that it's not— it's incomplete without a map.

And that's the other thing too, is staff could help them, you know, do a map too. I mean, in the planning department I could do that, but I don't know about the clerk staff if they could do that. Well, I think most spaces are going to have an address. Parks all have addresses. Yeah.

Streets have a current name. Buildings have an address and don't have a name. Unless it's an open space with no street address, I don't think you're going to necessarily need a map.

Yeah. This was another thing that came entirely out of ChatGPT, and so I can easily remove that requirement and just make it a suggestion. All right, encouraged, encourage a map, or require a map if the if the proposed facility or location to be named doesn't have a street address. Highly encouraged to provide a photo or something of that. Yes, I just think requiring it or else is—.

Sure, and then I can also go back in and add the— I see the 6 criteria now and just add those and give them a space for a narrative statement for each of the 6 criteria and ask them and just say attach additional pages if necessary.

Necessary for—. Yeah, that'd be great.

So then this will be 2 pages. It might be a lot more. Yeah. Also, you mentioned like everything has an address. You could say location, address, or description of public space so that we know that there's—.

Yes. The address is a good way to fill out that box. Yes.

I have a clarifying question, and I'm sorry if I'm putting the cart before the horse, but are we expecting then that they have to meet all the criteria points, or is it that they can meet 4 out of the 6 and we would still be able to consider it? Does that make sense? Well, those are criteria that are to be considered, but the code does not say they have to meet all of the criteria. So we as a commission If we want to set some standards and say the policy of the Commission is we don't approve proposed naming unless they meet 3 of the 6 criteria or 4, but then somebody might challenge us that the code doesn't require that you meet all of them. You just have— you're supposed to take those 6 items, 6 criteria into consideration.

Okay, thank you. Yeah, Darrell, it says considerations in the selection of a name shall include, um, and I don't see it and just so, but I think as a commission we have a public hearing and we would discuss the public naming proposal. We vote on it and that could be an issue, you know, that we could discuss. I think at that point is Wow, this proposal meets one of the 6 criteria that's supposed to be considered. I don't think it meets the threshold.

And I think that's a decision that would be up to the Commission. But that's a good point, you know, is there's no— nothing in code that says that a proposed naming has to meet any or all of the criteria. It's just the criteria has to be considered. So that's kind of a policy decision. For the Commission as we move forward.

I would think— what, Cameron? We're talking about, does proposed naming have to meet 4 of the 6 criteria in the code or 3? And I see we're not required to meet any of them, but if we have a public hearing and we consider a naming and we say, wait, this proposal only meets one of the criteria, I don't think it really meets the intent of the code. Yeah, I mean, I think you want to have a You want it to be defensible, right? You want to create something that, that will give you a basis for where you came to that decision so that you can demonstrate that it's fair and everybody has gotten the same set.

So that's that. But what that is, is, I think, is up to you in terms of how you decide it, as long as it's meeting the spirit of the code. So. But I think that that's— yeah, you want to— I think that's part of the decision-making that has to come from this group. And as we're making a recommendation, the Commission to the Assembly and Administration, we have to be able to defend that recommendation and say, wow, this meets 5 of the 6 criteria that are supposed to be considered in the code.

This is a strong naming proposal. Yeah, yeah. And I think one of the things you're going to— I mean, these are just the things that are going to happen. You're going to get Hey, you named these last two things in this way. That's not fair.

You didn't name this thing that, that way, right? I mean, you know, this whole thing. And so you want to come up with some language that allows you to, you know, to make thoughtful decisions about, about why you've done what you've done. And the challenge with doing it this way is that before, all the responsibility was just on the family to just, you know, that sort of thing. There was nothing.

But This way, you want to be able to have a justification for why you chose who you chose, because, because somebody— you're going to have to say no to some folks, and you're going to have to have a reason for that. So I was just thinking about it actually happening, and I was also thinking that there could be a time. So let's say you get one that only meets one criteria, and you're like, well, it only meets one criteria. How about if we leave it open for another 30 days or 60 days and see if there's any other suggestions that meet more of the criteria? But okay, it's been 60 days, it's been 90 days, whatever we choose, and no one came forward with any other names.

No one's interested in this particular park except for you, and you only meet one criteria, but we gave everyone a chance. So—. [Speaker:ROBERT] Well, you think about the, think about the example. So let's just say you have, 20 people that have come forth and said, I want something named after my uncle or whatever, right? I mean, so you've got those, you got a list of people and maybe they even have suggestions of what they want named, right?

And then you may have a list of places that need to be named or that there's, they don't have a name or there's been a request to rename it because there's something. So you have like places, like people and you got places maybe. And then you, so you've got these things that you're balancing. And the other piece is that you don't have to name it. You could hold that.

Thank you for your idea. We really love the wonderful idea. We don't feel like there's a place right now for us to do that. So we're gonna hold you. We're gonna keep you in the queue for a while, you know, that sort of thing.

I don't know. So that's where I don't know if there's a determination of like, this has to be named by this timeframe. So those are all things I think factors and variables that you're going to have to sort of figure out is what is that timeframe? And I think at the end of the day, my hope, I think a lot of our hope is that you won't be pressured into doing something or you won't be forced, like you'll make thoughtful decisions about where to put names and why. And I think if I remember the code correctly, we have an obligation as a commission if there's a proposal that we're looking at considering, and there's, you know, we have a public hearing, we also have to consider all other naming proposals for that facility or location that members of the public bring forward.

So somebody might be proposing naming the ball fields after Billy, right? But then somebody, members of the public come and say, I want to name it after Jack. And so the commission would have to consider both proposals. Yeah, and that's why I like Jennifer's idea of maybe before final action, you have a 30-day period or a 60-day period and you see if there's any more proposals from the public. I think especially because people are used to it, a really likely scenario is you have the Sunshine Park, right?

That's been named Sunshine Park forever. And then you have people in that neighborhood who come forward and they say, I want to name it after someone who's passed or whatever, and I want to name it Billy Park, right? And there's no other options coming forward. That's it. But as a commission, what's your responsibility, right?

Is Sunshine Park— is there a significance to that? Is there a reason that that was there? What, like, why was it named Sunshine Park? Is there— if you're going to enter into the process of renaming, then it's your responsibility, I think, to go, okay, what other names could it be or should it be? If we're going to rename it— if Billy has come forward doesn't mean it's the only choice.

There's probably an original name for that area; there's probably some other things. So that's what's going to be tough I think, is that you may not have a competing person or group but just naming it because it's the only name that came forward is I think what we're trying to avoid. That was, I think that was one of the intentions of having a commission, a naming commission, is because in the past with the ad hoc naming panels and it had family members, business partners, neighbors, you knew what the outcome was going to be. So just because I think that's our prerogative, reading the code is if somebody proposes naming it Billy Park and the commission thinks it doesn't meet the criteria, there's not a real connection between Billy and this park, it doesn't meet the intent of the code, the commission can vote not to move that to the assembly. Right, and that's why I'm curious about your processes, because if, if in that process someone said, well, Sunshine Park was, you know, nobody likes that name, or nobody wants that name, so does the park need to be renamed?

Like, what's the process to go to a renaming? Does it have to be generated by a community member? Or can the Commission do that? Or like, what generates that renaming process? But I think the most common thing you're going to find initially is people doing what they've always done, and that is coming forward and asking you to rename things or name things.

And so that's what's in— that will likely be the thing that will happen. The other work you're doing in terms of making some decisions about name changes or that sort of thing That's going to be interesting to figure out where that comes from. Well, I would think the Commission, we have the authority, the right to proactively.

Make recommendations to the Assembly and the administration, like Centennial Park. For me personally, I, I personally think that park needs renamed. Um, here's an example, you know, Bayshore Community Council passed the resolution recently. They want to rename KFQD Park. So KFQD Radio was in Spenard KFQD Park is way out in South Anchorage, and people in the neighborhood going, why is it named KFQD Park?

So they want to name it Bear Bayshore Park. And I was talking to a couple of the council members, and I said, you know, the school, it's near the elementary school, their mascot is a bear. Why don't you find out what the Upper Cook Inlet Dena'ina word for bear is and name it Bayshore Bear, you know, Park? And that way you check more boxes and it's more inclusive. And they were very receptive, but I think the commission, if that naming came to us, we could make that recommendation to add an indigenous element to the name.

And that's why I think it's going to be really challenging about this is that is what's your—. What's—. How does that process work and what does it look look like. And this is why it can become political, because people are like, they're trying to rewrite the history of our city, right? But I also think that it's, that what will hopefully happen is people will start to come forward just like this and say, hey, I don't like the name of that park.

Can you guys think about a different name for that? You know, or I'd like, you know what I mean? So it's not just people coming in for their relatives. But hopefully, and then you're supposed to hold some public dialogue events, right? So that would be really interesting too, is to be able to bring things forward and to generate ideas and, you know, what things could be named something different, you know.

So a few years ago, there was a proposal to rename Fairview Park, which is near Fairview Elementary School, a little park, because there's also Fairview Lions Park just down the road, and the police were getting confused. And the community council in the neighborhood was not supporting it, uh, to change the name. So the way we worked with them was that we renamed it Fairview Delga Park, because Delga is the Upper Cook Inlet Athabascan word for— Dena'ina Athabascan word for raven. And so the park has a raven theme now. It has a 5-foot raven.

And so it kept that place that sense of identity and history for the neighborhood, but you add it to it. So that is something as a commission we, I think we can look at, is we don't have to accept a proposal. We can suggest modifying it or recommend modifying a proposal. There could be a call for, you know, for naming. You could, you know, send something out.

Ask people to send their ideas, send their requests, and that sort of thing, so you can get it generated from the public itself. I think it would be— I don't know what the other Commissioners think, but once we get everything figured out and we get our processes worked out, it might be nice to publicize the Commission and that we're here. And, you know, because I think I've been hearing a lot from different community groups about namings or renamings, and I think we're in that position now. It used to be the code said you couldn't rename for 20 years. I don't know if that's in the new code or not.

I don't believe it is, but I think we're going to start getting requests for rename. I think a lot of people don't know how the process worked. This is why in the past it was those who understood how government worked, who understood the process, who had connections, that used the system. So how do we make it more accessible for persons who may not know how to use the system. And then within the code, did we also suggest that if it is someone's name that we look at smaller—.

Yes, things like, uh, instead of renaming the whole park after them, the preference would be to name the garden or the plaza or some— an element within it, or if it's a public building, the name the atrium or a conference room or something. The goal is not to name, or the priority is not naming the whole facility for an individual. Right. So that's, I think, if you think about 20 years from now, as you're walking down the street and you're looking at the names of things, that they would likely be landscapes, or they would be Indigenous names, or they would be like thought, like, you know what I mean? That it wouldn't be Joe and Fred and Ted and Bill and John and You know, everything is that, that would be the idea is I think from as an identity of a city, your names begin to represent your city.

Someone's stories or history that happened. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right, anything else on the submission form?

I will, like I said, put the link of the local landmark ordinance and you guys can take a look at that. Um, let's just email it directly to me. And Jamie's gonna, yeah, mail it. Anything mailed to Jamie, and she will just— the clerk's office will distribute to us. Um, and Jamie's going to send out a revised draft nomination form.

Yes, before our next meeting. Um, and then did you want to— I've emailed Members Bunnell and Kahn, the goals and strategy development graphic, and then was there going to be a subcommittee that was going to review the vision for naming of public places? I think we're just going to—. Okay, I'm going to email that to everyone along with the link that Member Bunnell sends, and we'll come prepared to discuss it and approve at the next meeting.

And then I put my email in the chat if people don't have the chat.

Awesome. So any— our next item is our regular meetings. So does 4 o'clock on a Wednesday work for people? Mm-hmm. Works for me.

In general, when I'm traveling, I'm traveling on Wednesdays. Because we fly out. So, um, so Wednesdays doesn't always work. So Thursdays? I'm good with Thursdays.

Can we have the option of either in a hybrid? Because we weren't getting this match set before today. Hybrid's easier in here, right, Jasmine?

Yeah, more tech in 155. That makes hybrid not so fun. 4 PM on a Thursday.

Which Thursday of the month? 1St, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or does it matter? It doesn't matter to me here right now. Is there one that works best for the clerk's office?

Just say that the first Thursday, well, we're doing it at 2:40, so it's like, PTAB is at 1:55. Oh, I would say the second Thursday because I have something every second Wednesday that I have to do in Anchorage, so I can't travel on the second Wednesday. Second, it's actually the second Wednesday, it's after this, it's 7 o'clock. Okay, so maybe this does work second to second Wednesday. At 4.

Okay. Does actually—. Does that work for everybody? Back at Wednesday the 1st? Sure.

Second— the second Wednesday of the month. Okay. So the second Wednesday of the month. Second Wednesday of the month. Yeah, because the 14th I have something that I have to do, and the second Wednesday of next month I have to do in Anchorage.

And so I already know that I can't go to a village on the second Wednesday. So the second Wednesday of every month. Of every month. Works. And, um, 4 PM and 2 PM in that week where we could have 1:55.

That would be 1:11. Yeah, that way you can have—. Is it a nicer building? This is kind of, yeah, small. Wednesday.

Nope, the Downtown Community Council has it again on the 9th of July. Second Wednesday? Yeah, because they may have just avoided 2nd of July.

Oh, because of the holiday. Yeah, well, we could meet here for that meeting. Yep. And but we could do the second Wednesday every month, and on in July we could meet in this room instead of—. That works perfect.

Yeah, so, so second Wednesday from 4 to 6.

All right, and with that, member comments. Any comments? Cuckoo? Christine?

I think it's going to be fun. Yeah. I'll bring snacks next meeting.

All right, anybody else? Like I said, I put my email in the chat. It's the BlackRock one, so if you guys can send that.

Over to Selma, then she and I can meet up. I've already sent you that. OK, perfect. Cool. Cuckoo, any comments?

No, I'm just very excited. I was thinking earlier that I should have mentioned the importance of names, considering my name is Cuckoo and I've lived with it for 30 years. And, you know, I just— this is just such a, like, personal thing. And so I'm just so invested in this. And, you know, studying public policy at UAA, like, I'm so connected here.

And I'm just so excited to be, you know, serving here with you all. That's what I've been thinking in the back of my head this entire time. We're excited to be working with you. Thanks, Daryl. Any other comments, Jennifer, Selma?

I guess one thing that I didn't— that I wanted to ask about, I don't remember if the code— you obviously can still name things after people that are deceased. Yes. Do you prevent people from naming things after people that are alive? Is there already a restriction against that? No.

It specifically says it's not preferred, I think is how it's worded. While it's not preferred, it's not prohibited. And I would definitely recommend going through and reading this again. Yeah, I'm reading it now, it's reminding me a lot of, a lot of things. So that was one— well, that was just something that I wanted to bring up, was that you had this, you know, Centennial Park that you're, you know, I think we should change this.

I have a real bias towards not naming things after people that are still alive. Yeah, because yes, they might have done this amazing thing and now you want to name it after them, but but they're still going to be here for 30, 40 years, and they might do something that you wouldn't want to name that after them. Exactly. So that happened in Nevada. That has happened.

Yes. And the code does say one of the things when, when Cameron and the assembly changed the code was now you can't name something for somebody until at least 36 months after they passed. So it gives a little cooling off period. Things aren't quite as emotional. That's good.

Anyway, other than that, I'm excited to be here and looking forward to it. Thanks for working with my travel schedule. Selma? Any thoughts? No comments.

Cameron? Just, yeah, I'm excited too to help out and to provide any support that I can. And I'm really looking forward to, as I'm reading through this, kind of seeing this process mapped out. You know, like there's obviously a timeline here. There's a, there's, you know, and then once you're ready to like let the world know we're here, you know, but be ready, right?

Because then you're going to start getting people saying, hey, I got an idea, you know, that sort of thing. So getting your sort of all your stuff organized and figured out, and then at some point, you know, announcing, you know, that we're open for business, you know, so let us know we're here, and then, and then figuring out how to do that. And then just the only other thing I would say is let me know how I can support you from the Assembly side, you know, if, you know, knowing whenever we do these things, they don't always line up perfectly with timing, right? And so the August, you know, timeframe, that would be something to think about right away is what can you do between now and then, you know? And so we can set up some realistic expectations for the Assembly so that that communication is really, really good.

And then I can help to be a bridge between this group in the Assembly as well. We can, for instance, this week we have a rules committee which is sort of a general place for the Assembly to update each other on things. So I'll do a little quick update at the rules committee this week and just say, hey, the naming commission is just getting started, and give them just a little bit. But I can also just help in the communication between this group and the Assembly until you figure out whether one of you guys want to do that. Once we get the vision statement and, you know, our goals and strategy and we get a little bit further along, you think it'd be beneficial if you have a meeting with the assembly?

Yeah, it'd be really great. So once you're ready to do that, we could do— we could have you come to the Rules Committee, or we could have you do a work session of some kind, but figuring out when you're ready to do that because they'll have lots of questions and be very curious about it. And I think it'd be great for the Assembly members to meet the commissioners and introduce yourselves and talk about your passion for public naming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Jasmin, you didn't introduce yourself.

You're sitting over there. I'm the Deputy Clerk. I've been with the Clerk's Office since 2022. A little background about me: I have a bachelor's in healthcare science, and then I joined the military. I was in intel, got out, and now I'm here.

Thank you guys. You need—. And we appreciate your support. Anything else? Public comments?

Oh, well, motion to adjourn. I make motion to adjourn. Jennifer moved. Second. Second.

Thelma seconded. Christine thirded. Any opposition? Everybody's favorite motion. We're adjourned.

Thank you all. See you.